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freshwest

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172. Well, not for any Democrat, anyway. That's been obvious for a very long time. One doesn't just...

Sat May 9, 2015, 09:56 AM

May 2015

Turn off the disdain and dissing when one goes from online to the real world. What is said here is what is said to family, friends, coworkers and in the voting booth.

This has just been a game, years of messing with the heads of Democratic voters here. And the lurkers and websurfers who see the word Democratic in the domain and want information.

What they see is bitterness and vitriol that appeals to no one.

It literally runs away Democrats and potential Democratic voters.

As 1StrongBlackMan wrote:

And "Mission Accomplished" could be heard whispered throughout the land. (It seems)

GOP: "Government doesn't work" ... Check!

Libertarians (right and left): "Government is evil" ... Check!

Tea Party: "Government doesn't work and there is no difference between establishment republicans and establishment Democrats" ... Check!

"Liberals/Progressives": "Government is evil and there is no difference between establishment republicans and establishment Democrats" ... Check!

The media has played this narrative on a 7-day, 24-hour loop.

Result: Only 15% of the American people pay close attention to the only mechanism for change.

Nicely played, Oligarchs!

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I always vote my conscience. I didn't vote for Bill Clinton and I won't vote for Hillary. NYC_SKP May 2015 #1

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Wow, though I appreciate your OP dreamnightwind May 2015 #8

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* L0oniX May 2015 #145

So will you be leaving DU on Labor Day, 2016? longship May 2015 #3

Hi longship! No, I am not allowed to leave the DU. I will be here for a very very very long time. NYC_SKP May 2015 #5

Ride on, NYC_SKP. longship May 2015 #7

You are not being noble, you are taking yourself upaloopa May 2015 #82

She's actually got a better chance now than she did a week or so back. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #181

HRC will manage to avoid that particular trap if she ends up being the nominee. seabeyond May 2015 #182

+1. nt seabeyond May 2015 #48

What upsets me about these types of thoughts is the terror Maraya1969 May 2015 #4

I've seen that "Vote for HRC or the evil Republicans win!!!" meme trotted out many times. winter is coming May 2015 #6

I thought Vermin Supreme was a Taco Bell burrito dreamnightwind May 2015 #9

So you're already over George Bush? R B Garr May 2015 #19

It's not 2000, these clowns are obviously worse than Bush, winter is coming May 2015 #24

Yet just a few short years ago, 60 million people voted for Sarah Palin. R B Garr May 2015 #34

And one of the reasons it was not a landslide in 2000 was Maraya1969 May 2015 #22

Oh, look, let's blame Nader and not talk about Democrats who voted for Bush in 2000. winter is coming May 2015 #25

Nader denialism is alive and well redstateblues May 2015 #53

sure, as nader fucks the repug last election, to get his face on the news.... while wanking with us seabeyond May 2015 #61

But not the 200,000+ registered Dems that voted for Bush frylock May 2015 #143

Did you forget how close the count was? Or how many scams there were? Maraya1969 May 2015 #165

The number of Dems who voted for Nader is dwarfed by the number who voted for the GOP. winter is coming May 2015 #166

That does not matter. The ones that voted Nader would have voted Gore if Nader Maraya1969 May 2015 #186

What about the the socialist candidates who also ran? Or Buchanan? winter is coming May 2015 #187

Many more Florida Democrats voted for Bush than for Nader; Gore ran a lousy campaign; merrily May 2015 #32

I think you meant to say, "Many more Florida *Democrats*"... n/t winter is coming May 2015 #43

Yes, thanks! I'll edit. merrily May 2015 #44

Merry Supreme Court and a very happy, healthy and prosperous "Say hello to President Cruz. merrily May 2015 #30

Put that on a bumper sticker frylock May 2015 #144

It's probably not funny unless you post at DU. merrily May 2015 #154

when you cant talk about issues reddread May 2015 #158

" "Vote for HRC or the evil Republicans win!!!" meme" it is a meme? you have a repug and a dem seabeyond May 2015 #49

Stop picking on Vermin Supreme. I'm expecting a pot of gold soon. L0oniX May 2015 #146

It's probably hiding in his beard. winter is coming May 2015 #147

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Do you mind if I ask who you voted for if not Bill Clinton? R B Garr May 2015 #13

I believe I voted for Brown in the primary and Perot in the general. NYC_SKP May 2015 #16

Ah, I forgot about Brown. Thx. n/t R B Garr May 2015 #18

I supported Brown in the primaries too justiceischeap May 2015 #31

OMG- Ross Perot? Good on you for admitting it.... bettyellen May 2015 #90

Perot was 100% right on NAFTA HooptieWagon May 2015 #134

Does your conscience include preventing a GOP President? Adrahil May 2015 #40

There's not a lot of different between a Right leaning Dem and the other team. NYC_SKP May 2015 #54

yes. there are a ZILLION difference. they do not matter to you. and you are insisting, seabeyond May 2015 #63

If you're a white man who is not poor, sure thing! bettyellen May 2015 #92

Such an absurd ridiculous and dangerous statement. DCBob May 2015 #93

So when someone doesn't support Hillary, they are the GOP's best friend? Quackers May 2015 #170

When a supposed Democrat says they wont vote for a Democrat.. DCBob May 2015 #171

so you will advocate not voting if clinton wins. you pump up social issues a must to defend, then seabeyond May 2015 #46

It's because I care about social issues, like keeping jobs here, living wages, income equity, that.. NYC_SKP May 2015 #56

yes. the $. we have a state senator wanting dead fetus to remain in uterus. killing our girls. life seabeyond May 2015 #64

do not fuckin tell this democrat, the parties are not different. on a progressive democratic board. seabeyond May 2015 #65

Many are now thinking that a vote for Hillary is a vote for Wall Street. L0oniX May 2015 #148

ah, is this the reasoning excusing the "others"? she would put someone in the supreme crt seabeyond May 2015 #152

And if it is Scott Walker vs HRC you consider them so alike that you wont vote, got it. NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #108

NO! ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #179

I have a problem with HRC because in 2002 she turned her back on Democratic Principles rhett o rick May 2015 #11

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Do you feel she did the right thing in voting to send America to war in 2002? think May 2015 #26

I don't. But I do think she will be better than ANY GOP candidate. Adrahil May 2015 #41

"Better than ANY GOP candidate" is an embarrassingly low bar. winter is coming May 2015 #58

Not as Embarrassing As Having An "R" in The WH ProfessorGAC May 2015 #97

So the only candidate on your radar months before the primaries start is the frontrunner? winter is coming May 2015 #141

Who Said That? ProfessorGAC May 2015 #153

Let' s see. I say being better than the GOP candidate is an embarrasingly low bar, winter is coming May 2015 #156

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Respectfully it's appreciated that Hillary has stated it was the wrong choice. think May 2015 #124

Personally I thought her saying she wished she could have that vote back rhett o rick May 2015 #129

Ya, it was much too little too late. But admitting it was wrong is a start. think May 2015 #139

I was reminded that she also voted for the Patriot Act while Bernie didn't think May 2015 #28

Do you ever wonder reddread May 2015 #160

Very interesting. No I never have thought about it. Hmmm. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #162

Nothing against your post, but the increasing use of principals instead of principles... freshwest May 2015 #15

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Oh, that lazy spell check won't help at all! You're doing great. freshwest May 2015 #20

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but that is the actual contest. reddread May 2015 #159

Nice post. mmonk May 2015 #23

I vote for the Democrat in the general no matter how many mistakes they may have made. leftofcool May 2015 #27

I plan to. Thanks for agreeing. n/t 99Forever May 2015 #29

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Common ground is a very good thing. 99Forever May 2015 #111

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"Some here" seem more obsessed with "some here" or with "many here" than with merrily May 2015 #33

True that. nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #36

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One of the election issues is the HELL we will be treated to... Adrahil May 2015 #42

It's not the general yet. Indeed, the primary has barely begun. merrily May 2015 #45

+1 demmiblue May 2015 #66

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I believe I am a very principled person. NCTraveler May 2015 #35

i do not get those that feel appeased not voting because of "conscience" allowing repug win seabeyond May 2015 #37

Geography affords some of us the luxury to be able to stand on principle hootinholler May 2015 #51

that is easy for one to say, when it is not their life in danger, just the "others". nt seabeyond May 2015 #52

That's a bold assumption hootinholler May 2015 #55

ya. it is bold. we are talking principle, which is war, $ not voting progressive democratic which seabeyond May 2015 #60

Which words exactly? hootinholler May 2015 #70

IF you do not vote 2016, you are kicking a hell of a lot of people to the curb. that you do not see seabeyond May 2015 #71

and then, to do it in a thread on principle, defining your principle. as i define mine. nt seabeyond May 2015 #72

Again, geography affords me the luxury hootinholler May 2015 #76

i do not know how to make my position more clear. IF you do not vote democratic 2016, even in seabeyond May 2015 #78

You should probably remember that we don't elect a president by popular vote. jeff47 May 2015 #84

i am well aware we do not elect a president by popular vote. i stand by my point. seabeyond May 2015 #86

So you stand by your point that every vote counts, after being shown that is false. jeff47 May 2015 #98

every vote counts is your argument. not mine. argue what i say, not what you want to. nt seabeyond May 2015 #101

So if their vote does not count, how are they kicking people to the curb by not voting? jeff47 May 2015 #113

I agree with these words: freshwest May 2015 #161

point. and right on. nt seabeyond May 2015 #163

. Rex May 2015 #39

Well if it's any comfort . . . ucrdem May 2015 #47

Well, not for any Democrat, anyway. That's been obvious for a very long time. One doesn't just... freshwest May 2015 #172

right on again. obvious to most of us. nt seabeyond May 2015 #173

Morning, Sea: freshwest May 2015 #176

morning woman. ... we got the power seabeyond May 2015 #183

Not just principles. She's a bad campaigner, and would do long-term damage to the Party. True Blue Door May 2015 #50

Yep, she will kill what's left of the Democratic party brand. NYC_SKP May 2015 #57

I suspect that is NOT the case rock May 2015 #59

as far as i am concerned. this thread has become perverted in the twisiting of principle. seabeyond May 2015 #62

i have st senate who wants girls to carry dead fetus in uterus, governor about to declare war on our seabeyond May 2015 #67

POINT with economic populist. the $ is not the ONLY moral issues here. you $ is not the ONLY thing seabeyond May 2015 #68

You missed some: TBF May 2015 #69

didnt we get bill to control wallstreet a little,been weakened? working on minumum wage increase for seabeyond May 2015 #73

"yell about principle" TBF May 2015 #99

you did not address my post. lets not pretend you did. nt seabeyond May 2015 #105

What would you like me to address? nt TBF May 2015 #114

It's hard to fathom, in 2015, that some aren't talking about income inequality ... seabeyond May 2015 #118

Income Inequality - Pew Research Center TBF May 2015 #131

i fail to see the point of this. ok. so? nothing to do with my reply, again. nt seabeyond May 2015 #132

You fail to see the point that most wealth in this country TBF May 2015 #137

you are making up an argument, to argue. i have not failed recognizing shit. you are still not seabeyond May 2015 #138

Good additions. HappyMe May 2015 #74

It's hard to fathom why there are so many OP's about voting for Hillary for president before djean111 May 2015 #75

because there are so many populist that advocate not voting for clinton if she wins. seabeyond May 2015 #77

I wouldn't worry about that until after the primaries. Right now, it seems like the pledgey thing, djean111 May 2015 #81

dont worry about it. no one is telling you to. seabeyond May 2015 #83

At this point in time, that kind of doesn't matter. HappyMe May 2015 #85

another,... that does not matter to you. fine. nt seabeyond May 2015 #87

That is not what I said. HappyMe May 2015 #88

"I said that at this point in time it does not matter." can i not disagree with you? i think... seabeyond May 2015 #89

I am working toward getting Bernie elected in the primary. HappyMe May 2015 #91

thank you. i am looking forward to all that, also. IF i even take a position on a candidate. seabeyond May 2015 #95

What is it about the campaign that you HappyMe May 2015 #103

i have talked about it often. you are not aware? one would be people advocating not voting dem, seabeyond May 2015 #107

that the "other" issues are minor or down right insignificant to economic populism. nt seabeyond May 2015 #109

That isn't part of Sanders' campaign. HappyMe May 2015 #110

i disagree. the supporters define his campaign. i think as a democratic party, we address those seabeyond May 2015 #112

There are plenty of shit flingers that are Hillary supporters. HappyMe May 2015 #116

"Economic inequality is a big issue." yes it is. if you are black and cant walk down the street seabeyond May 2015 #117

Um....there are plenty of poor people period. HappyMe May 2015 #119

advocating not voting. advocating both parties are the same. the principle of. that is the seabeyond May 2015 #120

I am not advocating that. HappyMe May 2015 #122

i did not say you were advocating. you are wrong saying it is no sander supporter. look at this seabeyond May 2015 #123

That is on those individual people. HappyMe May 2015 #125

i am addressing those within the populist movement in the democratic party that advocate this. seabeyond May 2015 #127

I don't know what the hell you want from me. HappyMe May 2015 #128

i want nothing from you. you are the one continuing this. i continue to be on point. nt seabeyond May 2015 #130

Good luck. HappyMe May 2015 #133

ty. backatcha. i think this will be an interesting/exciting yr and half. nt seabeyond May 2015 #135

I will always vote my conscience. bigwillq May 2015 #79

I will not vote for her either. Katashi_itto May 2015 #140

If we lose in 2016 you won't only wonder why upaloopa May 2015 #80

Enjoy President Cruz. KamaAina May 2015 #94

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Our number one driving principal should be to keep a Republican out of the White House. DCBob May 2015 #102

excellent post sis nt steve2470 May 2015 #121

I am voting for Hillary because I think she is the most qualified for the job. hrmjustin May 2015 #126

Hopefully, most will eventually come around if she turns out to be our nominee. dawg May 2015 #136

I think it's up to her to convince people. HappyMe May 2015 #142

And I think that is only fair. dawg May 2015 #149

Yes, that's true. HappyMe May 2015 #150

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I won"t vote for HRC in the primary and if she is the nominee I will refrain from voting for anyone davidsilver May 2015 #151

Congratulations! The GOP loves you! DCBob May 2015 #157

In a general election, I refuse to be forced to choose between a Republican and a Republican Lite davidsilver May 2015 #174

Fortunately no one is being forced to vote a certain way in this country. DCBob May 2015 #177

you're sittin in a factual lie. the only way to make your story even kinda right is sittin in your $ seabeyond May 2015 #184

principles vs principals reddread May 2015 #155

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious May 2015 #164

+1 davidsilver May 2015 #175

There is nothing "principled" ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #167

We have read all of this before. Some of it is obvious, some of it seems designed to engender an djean111 May 2015 #178

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I always vote my principles. LWolf May 2015 #180

"We came, we saw, he died" was the last straw for me. Maedhros May 2015 #185