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pampango

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13. Any country can sign a trade agreement with any other country.
Sat May 9, 2015, 11:22 AM
May 2015

No third country can tell another whom they can sign trade agreements with. So China can sign "trade agreements with low standards for labor, the environment, food safety, etc., with other nations" all they want and undoubtedly will.

If we are going to get away from agreements with 'low standards' like the ones we have now and China will continue to pursue, how do we do it? FDR and Truman tried to do it with the ITO which was a 'high standards' trade agreement (that congress shot down in the name of national sovereignty). There were 22 nations that had signed as members. The idea was to tie trade to labor standards, business regulations and full employment goals.

FDR and Truman understood that the countries involved would be trade with other countries that were not members of the "high standards" ITO but they pushed it anyway. They believed that the way to tie 'high standards' to trade was to negotiate multilateral agreements that specifically did just that.

IMHO, despite the fact that China can sign as many "low standard" trade agreements as it wants (and it has been doing pretty darn well just using WTO rules for that matter) is no reason for others to avoid negotiating "high standards" agreements (if that is what TPP is).

Will the TPP actually force Vietnam to raise standards across the board?

In other words, by passing the TPP will we really be writing the rules?

Good questions. If any international agreement is to be effective it has to have enforcement mechanism. You cannot, of course, just rely on countries (including the US) to do what they agree to do. Enforcement mechanisms will have to have 'carrots and sticks' to insure compliance.

I don't see it as a case of "we will be writing the rules" though that is how Obama stated it. As with the ITO, the "rules" are the result of negotiations with many countries. They are not exactly 'our' rules. If they have high standards that really won't matter to most of us. (Heck, our labor laws could use some 'standard-raising'.) But if the 'rules' as written in TPP are 'high' and 'enforceable' then it's a good thing. The reason congress rejected the ITO was that corporations saw that they would have to follow 'high' standards with international enforcement. They didn't like that and lobbied congress to kill it. Better for them to keep enforcement supervision questions in the hands of a congress which they have a lot of direct 'influence' over.

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I believe that, for the purposes of allowing corporations to write the rules that nations must obey, djean111 May 2015 #1
Ronnie Ray-gun got us use to it, and MSM didn't tell us orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #3
This is what I think also. When he tells us that China will write the rules he is forgetting that jwirr May 2015 #14
And all of this un-amendable, sight unseen . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #2
I suspect that an awful lot of Congress does not WANT the trade agreements to be amendable - djean111 May 2015 #4
How does fear work? Simple. Scare people into supporting this trojan horse. Scuba May 2015 #5
It's just rhetoric designed to instill a faux urgency Populist_Prole May 2015 #6
It sure doesn't stand up to scrutiny cali May 2015 #7
It's just the latest desperate meme to try where others have failed so far Populist_Prole May 2015 #8
My prediction is those Foxconn jobs will move south JonLP24 May 2015 #9
Foxconn would rather use robots: IDemo May 2015 #15
I don't know the answer. panader0 May 2015 #10
thanks much, pan cali May 2015 #11
+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #16
I have a question also. What the hell is in the Lint Head May 2015 #12
Any country can sign a trade agreement with any other country. pampango May 2015 #13
When all else fails, erect a bogeyman and warn of impending doom. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #17
We'll be writing the rules.... MaggieD May 2015 #18
I think he's so heavily invested in the tpp that he can't see clearly cali May 2015 #19
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