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bravenak

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30. I do not trust her. She supported things that hurt the poor and black communities.

Sat May 9, 2015, 12:21 PM

May 2015

She supported her husbands policy of mass incarcerations and Wefare reform. Her support of those two things made me despise her. The last campaign she ran was nasty and race baiting. I don't like the idea of being pressure to support a person who race baits people who look like me and promotes policies that harm poor and black families. Welfare to work required work to recieve benefits, and the work was not there in our neighborhoods in the first place. Mass incarcerations was designed to harm black men through the drug war. She supported that. For over 20 years she was very supportive of all of that. Now we are supposed to believe anything has changed and that she will undo that shit? No. I have family that were DIRECTLY harmed by mass incarcerations, drig prohibition/drug war, and wefare reform, and at least HALF of those harmed were women and children. It is impossible to believe her. I have heard nothing from her on those issues that change my mind.

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here is the thing. i am good with clinton winning. we have so fuckin' much to do, [View all] seabeyond May 2015 OP

tell ya people. i am jazzed. i moved to another neighborhood, and oh, what i am dealing with. seabeyond May 2015 #1

progressive populism incorporates cali May 2015 #2

not hearing it. only hearing i am minor. and still, that has nothing at all to do with what i posted seabeyond May 2015 #3

word salad with a side of p-a cali May 2015 #7

no it did not address. my excitement with clinton and why. stepping out of the dem party. no seabeyond May 2015 #8

I respect anyone that makes it beyond Puglover May 2015 #42

ya fuggin lol NaturalHigh May 2015 #62

this is the silliness you continue to bring to conversation. the same people. over and over and... seabeyond May 2015 #65

Coherence is for weaklings. n/t winter is coming May 2015 #88

and those that have continually been dismissive, resort to this, while many others actually converse seabeyond May 2015 #91

If you want conversation, try complete sentences and thoughts, winter is coming May 2015 #105

hey dude.... having that very conversation thru out this thread. but thanks, for stepping up seabeyond May 2015 #106

In other words, you don't like her style... malthaussen May 2015 #118

No. In other words, her "style" is so incoherent that it rarely supports the point she's winter is coming May 2015 #119

So what? Bobbie Jo May 2015 #122

Perhaps you should take your own advice. n/t winter is coming May 2015 #130

Perhaps you should take your condescending Bobbie Jo May 2015 #131

In attempts to be persuasive, clarity is a necessity. hifiguy May 2015 #161

And if one is not attempting to persuade, but simply to express oneself? n/t malthaussen May 2015 #162

That's a different story, but my general presumption hifiguy May 2015 #165

It's a fair presumption in most cases, I'd say. malthaussen May 2015 #170

I assume she is using talk to text AgingAmerican May 2015 #180

I've tried for years to converse with you. NaturalHigh May 2015 #193

The Palinesque prose "style" does nothing to clarify and much to obfuscate. hifiguy May 2015 #158

all my pals of three years, coming in to share the same, ole, thing. you betcha, ;) seabeyond May 2015 #166

POINT... once the populist walks out of dem party, and advocates not voting dem, they arent dem, seabeyond May 2015 #4

What does "voting dem" mean? kentuck May 2015 #13

we cannot factually present clinton as R. i proved that out on the list of things she will address seabeyond May 2015 #15

I have to jump back in cali May 2015 #27

"It's a relief to see you've dropped your faux support for bernie"... this is how you chose seabeyond May 2015 #29

and no. i still do not know who i will support. before i have even listened seabeyond May 2015 #31

lol cali May 2015 #32

ya. i realize it was flat out wrong. went to edit, started off on another seabeyond May 2015 #34

Trying to pair Sanders populism and trickle down economics is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Bonobo May 2015 #179

If you really think that then you simply are farther to the left treestar May 2015 #76

I'm a tomato! But you don't look like a Ed Suspicious May 2015 #120

Tacking to the right is essentially walking out the the Dem party AgingAmerican May 2015 #16

no. it is not essentially, kinda, or sorta walking out of the dem. hiring a socialist, not taking seabeyond May 2015 #22

Not understanding right wingers will never fly on a Democratic board? AgingAmerican May 2015 #24

apt question cali May 2015 #28

again. not really addressing my OP. suggesting i am suppose to not vote for our democratic candidate seabeyond May 2015 #33

you just aren't making sense cali May 2015 #41

see, you change what i write, for your interpretation that is not correct. to argue your point. seabeyond May 2015 #45

I did not change it at all. cali May 2015 #50

you changed from the very start. not addressing what i said. and then saying i was a faux seabeyond May 2015 #54

You're a strategist? NaturalHigh May 2015 #194

+1 L0oniX May 2015 #121

And which populist are you talking about? Scootaloo May 2015 #150

There's no pony in that list. MohRokTah May 2015 #5

ya. that. nt seabeyond May 2015 #9

Of course not. How else can we afford to outspend the world militarily.... think May 2015 #11

Or foreign policy, or the economy... AgingAmerican May 2015 #14

Panhandle of Texas? yallerdawg May 2015 #6

fuck that. i am from fuckin... california. they just do not know what to do with me. and mine. nt seabeyond May 2015 #10

What about foreign policy? AgingAmerican May 2015 #12

i thought populist was all about taking care of the people? seabeyond May 2015 #17

And just ignoring everything else? AgingAmerican May 2015 #19

no more so than what the populist are campaigning on. how about addressing my OP, instead seabeyond May 2015 #23

I am addressing your OP AgingAmerican May 2015 #113

no seabeyond May 2015 #114

and it does address the economy. just not your portfolio. nt seabeyond May 2015 #18

What, huh? AgingAmerican May 2015 #21

state, supreme court, minimum wage, college, healthcare all address economics. at the least.... seabeyond May 2015 #25

Exactly! MaggieD May 2015 #20

"Blind Rebels Motorcycle Club" yallerdawg May 2015 #26

I do not trust her. She supported things that hurt the poor and black communities. bravenak May 2015 #30

she was a wife, not a representative just as she was in her role under obama. seabeyond May 2015 #35

I took it from her on the issues list. bravenak May 2015 #43

you are talking two decades ago. that is a long time ago. we have all progressed and moved forward. seabeyond May 2015 #47

That 2 decades of myself, my mother, and my sister having to support member of our family bravenak May 2015 #48

these are your decisions to make. i agree with you on this. and still, i see all the things seabeyond May 2015 #52

I can understand that. Hopefully It will rub off on me if she wins the primary. bravenak May 2015 #59

i immediately went to sanders. didnt want clinton in 2008. i found out i did have incorrect info on seabeyond May 2015 #63

Excellent. Yes, the damage accumulates. The invisible suffer and are not heard, or dissed. n/t freshwest May 2015 #173

Exactly. It continues to this day.nt bravenak May 2015 #174

It's generational. Think of what this nation could be without it... All of it! nt freshwest May 2015 #175

I think we could finally be what we claim to be. Free. bravenak May 2015 #176

+1 n/t PasadenaTrudy May 2015 #49

Perhaps, she relates to business women who own their own business Hiraeth May 2015 #53

That's what I think too. bravenak May 2015 #55

That is a good way to put it. Invisible. I can't wait for the debates! Hiraeth May 2015 #61

i am excited about the debates, also. nt seabeyond May 2015 #66

Me too. I can barely contain myself. bravenak May 2015 #70

Bernie will take Hillary places she does not want to go. Hiraeth May 2015 #73

that will be interesting to see. i agree. nt seabeyond May 2015 #75

I fully expect ... long pauses ... dead air ... spitting and sputtering and then a plug to foul out. Hiraeth May 2015 #77

i have never seen that from dems. one of the things i value with dems. i see more seabeyond May 2015 #78

Bernie is not your everyday Dem. She had better study long into the night. Hiraeth May 2015 #81

Mouthful. You said it. Thank you. Hiraeth May 2015 #37

That race baiting thing almost cost her my vote in the 2008 primary. dawg May 2015 #39

i really hope, she has learned to put bill to the very very very back of the bus. seabeyond May 2015 #40

Provided Bill is willing to be pushed. malthaussen May 2015 #124

i want to see a huge ass shove, from clinton. to the back... dude. i think seabeyond May 2015 #127

Well, between you and me (and 10,000 others on this forum)... malthaussen May 2015 #134

i agree with a lot you say.... if not all. i see potential though. seabeyond May 2015 #136

Schadenfreude, you rotten little girl. malthaussen May 2015 #143

you betcha. seabeyond May 2015 #147

That caused me to not vote in the primary. bravenak May 2015 #44

I almost always vote in primaries when there is no incumbent, but ... dawg May 2015 #56

yes. and fun. i was there too. nt seabeyond May 2015 #57

I was smiling for weeks after that election too. bravenak May 2015 #58

you had the whole palin thing. yes. ah ha. nt seabeyond May 2015 #67

It was seven shades of hell. bravenak May 2015 #68

interesting anyway. supporting obama while calling out sexism to clinton and palin. seabeyond May 2015 #71

It never ceases to amaze me... NaturalHigh May 2015 #185

Ok. But everything I said was still accurate. bravenak May 2015 #186

You'll forgive me if I disagree. NaturalHigh May 2015 #187

Of course. bravenak May 2015 #188

I probably won't vote for her in the primary this time ... dawg May 2015 #36

you and i are probably walking htis exactly the same. even though others want to tell me, otherwise seabeyond May 2015 #38

These things are so much easier when you just vote against the fools. malthaussen May 2015 #128

K & R thanks Thinkingabout May 2015 #46

I get what you are sayin.. DCBob May 2015 #51

Okay, so you're backing Clinton. NaturalHigh May 2015 #60

did i say that? seabeyond May 2015 #69

It's pretty obvious from your post... NaturalHigh May 2015 #85

so i did not say that. you just made shit up. seabeyond May 2015 #86

No, I didn't make it up. NaturalHigh May 2015 #87

yes. you did seabeyond May 2015 #93

nope. that is absolutely accurate cali May 2015 #125

where in my OP did i state i was now a clinton supporter and i was not a sander supporter? seabeyond May 2015 #129

I think Clinton is really the only Democrat that can win. hrmjustin May 2015 #64

i am excited and interested to see what develops. but, i do believe, even if sanders is the seabeyond May 2015 #72

i hope so. hrmjustin May 2015 #74

And that is the attitude she is planning on, counting on and hoping for. Hiraeth May 2015 #79

It is an honest opinion. hrmjustin May 2015 #80

I didn't say otherwise and you are entitled to it. Hiraeth May 2015 #83

If Sanders really wants to win he is going to have to prove himself. hrmjustin May 2015 #89

I see it totally opposite. I see Bernie as the New Obama coming out of nowhere. The Dark Horse. Hiraeth May 2015 #95

We disagree but have a good weekend. hrmjustin May 2015 #96

No buts about it I will and, hope you do, too. Hiraeth May 2015 #99

i absolutely think that is a possibility. i thought more so, then the last couple days. seabeyond May 2015 #98

That is funny because his supporters are listening to him and that is why we support him. Hiraeth May 2015 #101

ya ya ya. i see what you did there. nt seabeyond May 2015 #102

Clinton will further cement the Democratic Party as a moderate Republican Party. cui bono May 2015 #82

and if sanders does not win the primary, i will be excited and enthused voting clinton in and seabeyond May 2015 #84

Yeah, well if Sanders (or O'Malley I think) does not win the primary I may vote third party cui bono May 2015 #184

SCOTUS is by far the most important thing on that list. Initech May 2015 #90

i could not agree more. it has to be an absolute. yes. nt seabeyond May 2015 #94

I am afraid of what HRC will do to the SCOTUS. She will not choose much differently from Hiraeth May 2015 #97

i totally disagree with that. she will be in line with obama. and his were fine. nt seabeyond May 2015 #100

I hope she doesn't get a chance to prove it. I hope the question is up for the debates. Hiraeth May 2015 #103

i am fine with both.... works for me. nt seabeyond May 2015 #104

So, I gathered. but, she honestly scares the crap outta me. Hiraeth May 2015 #107

i have a knuckle draggin, fox news watching, brother tooting sanders horn. what that tells us seabeyond May 2015 #110

Wait. What? yallerdawg May 2015 #123

How about at the work place. I don't go to bars. Hiraeth May 2015 #126

Oh, it's anecdotal. yallerdawg May 2015 #133

Of course, it is anecdotal. I never claimed otherwise. Hiraeth May 2015 #183

Clinton is my third choice. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #92

Well put. I'm with you. cheapdate May 2015 #108

Yes, there will be a ton of hard work facing HRC Gothmog May 2015 #109

certainly... as there was with our first black president, stepping into bush mess. nt seabeyond May 2015 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten May 2015 #112

I would prefer Senator Warren, but... bluegopher May 2015 #115

ya. well. we are hearing strong and loud, those saying they will not vote, the parties are the same. seabeyond May 2015 #117

Yeah, I'm just agreeing with you. bluegopher May 2015 #132

i am in a state where st senator declares women and girls carry dead fetus after 20 weeks to seabeyond May 2015 #135

I actually meant... bluegopher May 2015 #164

myth that you are perpertrating. cali May 2015 #144

i assume it is the majority. i do not know that it is the vast, but i do assume it is the majority. seabeyond May 2015 #148

sorry, it's the vast majority. cali May 2015 #153

you do not know that. that is a guess. as it would be for everyone. why would you put yourself seabeyond May 2015 #155

Hillary is more conservative than I am but when it comes to social issues OregonBlue May 2015 #116

I'm good with letting our system play out and finding the best democrat for president whatchamacallit May 2015 #137

People here don't want HRC to win if she is the primary candidate? Rex May 2015 #138

yes rex. nt seabeyond May 2015 #139

That's fucking pathetic. Rex May 2015 #140

i think so, also. i can get the enthusiasm for sanders and still, i am a democrat. nt seabeyond May 2015 #142

Recent DU polls say you are full of it. cali May 2015 #141

peruse this thread from just yesterday. when you ignore it, doesnt mean it is not so. seabeyond May 2015 #145

I just went through it and counted those who said they wouldn't vote for her: THREE cali May 2015 #151

you are a treat cali. seabeyond May 2015 #152

I don't make things up- something I have zero respect for. cali May 2015 #154

ya. you do. all though this thread. you made up one accusation after another. even when proven seabeyond May 2015 #156

that's simply fantasy on your part. And anyone reading through this thread can see that. cali May 2015 #159

you argue vast. i never said that. say i am faux support, cause it is not your way. say OP proves seabeyond May 2015 #157

Codswallop. horse pucky. baloney. bullshit. cali May 2015 #160

instead of just calling names, clue me in where i stated anything incorrectly? seabeyond May 2015 #167

that is not name calling. obviously. cali May 2015 #171

no you have not. you make up a story, hand it to me, demand i accept your story, and tear seabeyond May 2015 #172

Apparently, not preferring Hillary for the nominee whatchamacallit May 2015 #146

so cali says. though yesterday i was in the middle of that very argument as i linked to her. nt seabeyond May 2015 #149

fail. again. cali May 2015 #163

you really gotta ignore people to have your argument. why do i need your poll? seabeyond May 2015 #169

You are right. rock May 2015 #168

You know Ms. Clinton is not going to change anything! akbacchus_BC May 2015 #177

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Welcome to DU gopiscrap May 2015 #192

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