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JonLP24

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47. I'm out there arguing the same thing pretty much

Sat May 9, 2015, 03:43 PM

May 2015

I just thought the article was a good read and don't feel it applies to today because I almost included a full disclaimer detailing my thoughts on McGovern because I've seen so many landslide predictions as triangulation is the only way to win when the religious right, tea party, and the crazies destroyed the party. I'm not sure what pendulum means but if its anything like momentum I don't believe in it, the demographic trends are slipping particularly in southern states including Arizona who still has a long way to go but the west coast & northeast are locks. Ohio or Florida victories clinch it Mountain & Pacific Time zone ballots close in terms of odds & probability. Bernie Sanders isn't the kind that tries to come across as honest in a way that's phony & a lot of things -- he favors policies that most Americans do as well.

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The socialist revolt that America forgot: A history lesson for Bernie Sanders [View all] JonLP24 May 2015 OP

How'd that work out? MaggieD May 2015 #1

The first rule of "talking about the 1980 election" is... JHB May 2015 #5

+1. n/t winter is coming May 2015 #9

Exactly (nt) MaggieD May 2015 #16

Do people generally know about the October Surprise angle of the hostage crisis? Jackpine Radical May 2015 #27

+1 daleanime May 2015 #46

"Generally"? No, and I tend to be cautious about bringing it up... JHB May 2015 #51

True. Another error is about Kennedy's run. it wasn't that he entered too late. hedda_foil May 2015 #38

Then the party moved to the right JonLP24 May 2015 #7

Jimmy Carter was one of the most liberal presidents we've had MaggieD May 2015 #17

Jimmy Carter continued the deregulation ball that Ford started AZ Progressive May 2015 #21

No one at the time considered Carter a liberal. winter is coming May 2015 #24

There is so much revisionism around Jimmy Carter DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #25

Oddly enough, he got a lot of good publicity by palling sufrommich May 2015 #33

He also quoted Bob Dylan in his acceptance speech DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #39

Yeah, I remember that. I wonder if Carter was the first sufrommich May 2015 #43

In some ways he was a very adroit politician... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #44

I think Carter had very good instincts when it came to how to sufrommich May 2015 #45

He was the most conservative major Dem candidate. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #28

I was too young to vote but I would have supported Jerry Brown. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #41

O, Lord-- Jackpine Radical May 2015 #52

Thanks for proving no candidate is liberal enough MaggieD May 2015 #30

Um... BrotherIvan May 2015 #54

Yeah - just like they found Obama MaggieD May 2015 #55

It wasn't a year until Obama started using Bush era arguments JonLP24 May 2015 #35

These are fundamentally different times AZ Progressive May 2015 #42

I'm out there arguing the same thing pretty much JonLP24 May 2015 #47

Carter ran as a social liberal / fiscal conservative Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #50

In political science it's known as 'The pendulum effect" AgingAmerican May 2015 #2

It swings all the way right. yallerdawg May 2015 #3

Yep AgingAmerican May 2015 #4

When was the last time Democrats held the Presidency for a 3rd term in a row? yallerdawg May 2015 #6

The DEMOCRATIC PARTY is swinging back to the left AgingAmerican May 2015 #8

Your path to national victory is to purge the Democratic Party. yallerdawg May 2015 #11

I will never understand Democratic defeatism AgingAmerican May 2015 #12

But you do undertand Democratic defeats. yallerdawg May 2015 #15

You really need to take a basic course in poly sci AgingAmerican May 2015 #20

I think the Dems can win a 3rd term if they're not simply offering more of the same. n/t winter is coming May 2015 #10

Is that more Clinton? More Obama? yallerdawg May 2015 #13

That's "more centrist". winter is coming May 2015 #14

How is it "swinging" back? MaggieD May 2015 #18

The Democratic party is swinging back to the left. AgingAmerican May 2015 #19

Thanks to midterm apathy and gerrymandering AZ Progressive May 2015 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author AZ Progressive May 2015 #23

What did you expect during a primary? Or did you not want a primary? djean111 May 2015 #26

How about you take your cue from Sanders MaggieD May 2015 #29

Purist is a strawman AgingAmerican May 2015 #31

Tearing down democrats is not a recipe for victory MaggieD May 2015 #34

Same strawman, different post AgingAmerican May 2015 #36

That sounds like the rethug canard... MaggieD May 2015 #40

How about giving examples of how "purists" here lined up to tear down Democrats after elections? MrMickeysMom May 2015 #49

"Purist", "basher", and "hater" are all large neon "Don't take me seriously" signs. winter is coming May 2015 #37

there it is BrotherIvan May 2015 #53

I'd bash Sanders if he was wrong on any issue I feel he is wrong on JonLP24 May 2015 #48

You should read "The Other America" and "Toward A Democratic Left" DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #32