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Kurska

(5,739 posts) Sat May 9, 2015, 03:44 PM May 2015

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One of the most principled and honest senators is "unelectable", why? [View all]

Does actually giving a crap about the middle class or even *gasp* the poor make him unelectable?

Does taking a stand against our dangerous and stupid drug war make him unelectable?

Does refusing to play petty party politics and bend over backwards for bankers and wall street make him unelectable?

Does having a rock-solid record on civil rights and LGBT rights make him unelectable (Voted against DOMA in 1996)?

If these things are unelectable and you are a progressive, you ought to be FIGHTING to make them electable.

I don't have a problem with Hillary, but Bernie Sanders is who represents me best.

I'll fight for you Bernie, give em hell.

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So far I've heard "He is old" and "Americans are too stupid".

Anyone have an actual policy position they would like to bring up?

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One of the most principled and honest senators is "unelectable", why? [View all] Kurska May 2015 OP

I can't wait for the answers. neverforget May 2015 #1

Those answers never actually contain a policy position Kurska May 2015 #26

So far he lacks charisma, he's old, he has no money neverforget May 2015 #68

Hilary Clinton is old and lacks charisma. sulphurdunn May 2015 #139

He would be 82/83 years old when he got into office WhiteTara May 2015 #182

WRONG!! LovingA2andMI May 2015 #185

"Old" leaders have never bothered most European nations. And 69 would not be considered "old" maddiemom May 2015 #214

Thanks for the correction. WhiteTara May 2015 #230

No Problem.... LovingA2andMI May 2015 #237

Ohhh! Ohhh! Make me younger too!!!! bvar22 May 2015 #241

Yes! MoonchildCA May 2015 #204

Because Americans are shallow, fearful, feckless, fickle, incurious, uninformed, cheapdate May 2015 #133

On the bright side, we've always been that way Orrex May 2015 #157

True. cheapdate May 2015 #173

Easily misled. Enthusiast May 2015 #195

I think the plan is that if HRC keeps quiet, she won't be apt to stumble and can rhett o rick May 2015 #244

He lacks charisma. DCBob May 2015 #2

He is fiery and passionate Kurska May 2015 #5

For a certain group you may be right.. DCBob May 2015 #11

Of course, you know mainstream America, DCBob? MrMickeysMom May 2015 #20

Doesnt take a genius. DCBob May 2015 #21

No, it doesn't... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #23

I have lived in Illinois, Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas, Florida, Maryland and the Philippines. DCBob May 2015 #28

Like I said... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #32

I pride myself in having a world vision. DCBob May 2015 #35

"I vote for what I think is best for the world"... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #45

You have no idea. DCBob May 2015 #51

Which is 'charisma'? daleanime May 2015 #47

Simply keeping a Democrat in the WH. DCBob May 2015 #50

So it's not voting for what you believe.... daleanime May 2015 #69

I vote for the candidate who has the best ideals and can also win. DCBob May 2015 #80

Like I said-acceptable,,, daleanime May 2015 #86

LOL.. doesnt make me feel bad at all. Just not the correct word. DCBob May 2015 #91

And everyone who thinks that way hates HRC, too. n/t. Ken Burch May 2015 #114

And yet he still got elected nxylas May 2015 #218

Actually, Bernie would be a major improvement to the Democratic Party, instead of the same old shit eloydude May 2015 #155

Yes! We shouldn't be afraid to fight for what we believe in! Dustlawyer May 2015 #227

! A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #77

Americans aren't as stupid as most people think. Kurska May 2015 #22

No.. they are stupider. DCBob May 2015 #25

B.S more Americans are more educated than ever Kurska May 2015 #29

and more influenced by RW media than ever... DCBob May 2015 #34

You've got that right MaggieD May 2015 #82

Isnt it sickening to see RW crap showing on DU to put down a Democratic candidate. DCBob May 2015 #85

Stick around and push back MaggieD May 2015 #88

Totally agree with your final comment. DCBob May 2015 #92

so much for free speech grasswire May 2015 #143

Your free speech here ends.... MaggieD May 2015 #145

My free speech ends when the candidate is nominated... Fairgo May 2015 #174

As I said - HERE MaggieD May 2015 #176

Thanks for the clarification Fairgo May 2015 #188

"If this were MY site I would ban every last one of them." Wow. madfloridian May 2015 #189

Wow what? MaggieD May 2015 #193

In all fairness, let's compare numbers banned from 3 candidates' groups. madfloridian May 2015 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Elmer S. E. Dump May 2015 #238

There is a difference between bashing and legitimate criticism Adrahil May 2015 #224

+10000 to that MaggieD May 2015 #55

Then why do we have a Republican Congress, Supreme Court and I bet doc03 May 2015 #38

He can get the message over to the.... Rosa Luxemburg May 2015 #109

He would connect if the media wasn't so completely biased. Enthusiast May 2015 #196

Which explains why Jeb would even consider running. maddiemom May 2015 #215

Republican techniques for winning are different. DCBob May 2015 #217

+1. He's the real deal. winter is coming May 2015 #116

Know who else was "Not scripted, not hyper-polished; honestly speaking his mind."? Ron Paul brooklynite May 2015 #235

Hillary lacks charisma. PADemD May 2015 #81

She has something because she connects to large numbers of people. DCBob May 2015 #83

Meh PADemD May 2015 #94

I am sure you will be missed. DCBob May 2015 #96

She has more than enough money. JEB May 2015 #135

Translated... She has far bigger marketing campaigns by the corporate media... cascadiance May 2015 #209

HRC has no charisma, as far as that goes n/t. Ken Burch May 2015 #113

And he's positively unattractive treestar May 2015 #207

IF that is true, it means there has been a coup d'etat in this country and naturally anyone sabrina 1 May 2015 #3

No, there actually hasn't been a coup d'etat MaggieD May 2015 #12

I don't know any 'stupid' voters. I know ignorant voters mainly because those same sabrina 1 May 2015 #31

This should be its own OP! ^^^^^^^^^ Thank you! CaliforniaPeggy May 2015 #65

Agree that this should be an OP. Scuba May 2015 #112

I have never understood the contempt some politicos hold for voters. winter is coming May 2015 #121

Thank you, it's disgusting, elitist and doesn't belong on a Dem forum, or at least didn't just a few sabrina 1 May 2015 #187

Wonderful post, sabrina 1. Enthusiast May 2015 #199

Selection 2000. eom. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #223

Sen Sanders is infinately more electable the Hillary Goldman Sachs Clinton. 99Forever May 2015 #4

Yes, I see... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #7

Why do you think so? MaggieD May 2015 #8

Not to butt in but they haven't stood on stage together yet imnew May 2015 #17

Oh come on.... MaggieD May 2015 #6

Saint Ronald was a few days short of 70. Kurska May 2015 #9

He was 69 MaggieD May 2015 #13

69 years, 349 days Kurska May 2015 #16

I'm talking about when he was running MaggieD May 2015 #19

The young will love his positions and the old vote in droves Kurska May 2015 #33

I don't know if people will "attack" him MaggieD May 2015 #48

Remember when the founders were around the average life expectancy was Agschmid May 2015 #39

The Constitution requires a President to be at least 35. thesquanderer May 2015 #60

Techniclly not true. PeaceNikki May 2015 #66

Yes I estimated... Agschmid May 2015 #70

No need to guess.... MaggieD May 2015 #84

What does this list have to do with the average life expectancy in the 1700's? Agschmid May 2015 #126

I'm talking about the age of presidents MaggieD May 2015 #128

But if you made it to adult ... GeorgeGist May 2015 #177

Yes. Agschmid May 2015 #184

"� the reasons people think he is a longshot" ??? MrMickeysMom May 2015 #15

Well a YouGov polls for one MaggieD May 2015 #30

Actually, most people do NOT exhibit signs as you say... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #44

50% is quite a lot MaggieD May 2015 #49

Really� you think that a lot of his supporters are some of the nastiest people? MrMickeysMom May 2015 #61

I do think that, yes MaggieD May 2015 #67

My mother will be 91 in August. SamKnause May 2015 #89

Well your mother is not.... MaggieD May 2015 #98

The elderly people you come in contact with SamKnause May 2015 #104

I didn't compare the two MaggieD May 2015 #105

But who are they asking? marlakay May 2015 #200

Here you go.... MaggieD May 2015 #202

They ask a bunch of times what you are politically marlakay May 2015 #232

Social Democrats versus Democratic Socialists 1939 May 2015 #43

Welcome to DU... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #46

Bernie is a Democratic Socialist.... MaggieD May 2015 #52

Bernie may call himelf a Democratic Socialist 1939 May 2015 #122

Okey dokey then MaggieD May 2015 #129

yes. yes. yes. Hiraeth May 2015 #198

Yup - exactly! OhZone May 2015 #156

Kurska, this is the second time this year we've agreed on something. I'm getting a little freaked! Scootaloo May 2015 #10

Some of those are ludicrious.... MaggieD May 2015 #14

Which ones are your favorites? hootinholler May 2015 #36

I already posted the things I think are obstacles MaggieD May 2015 #37

Oh, I see hootinholler May 2015 #54

Yes, our realities definitely differ MaggieD May 2015 #58

I'm being nasty? hootinholler May 2015 #72

This crap isn't nasty? MaggieD May 2015 #76

Admittedly I should have said Would you? hootinholler May 2015 #87

Thanks MaggieD May 2015 #93

MaggieD is spot on... PosterChild May 2015 #127

His initials are BS Martin Eden May 2015 #24

Better, or worse than candidate "Barack Hussein Obama"? Scootaloo May 2015 #41

You've got a point there Martin Eden May 2015 #106

Yep, the political discourse in the US is absurd Scootaloo May 2015 #125

He's unelectable because we've been told he's unelectable ... Martin Eden May 2015 #18

Teevee says he's unelectable. The same teevee that will receive BILLIONS in Super-PAC money. arcane1 May 2015 #27

Americans young and old can't deny the reasons why, we Need Bernie . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #40

your president says he (the senator) is wrong. is that a good enuff reason? nt msongs May 2015 #42

I think you're confusing President with Emperor Kurska May 2015 #59

Your subject line answered its own question Warpy May 2015 #53

It's not his policies that are the problem. sufrommich May 2015 #56

Very true, IMO MaggieD May 2015 #62

this^^^ stonecutter357 May 2015 #108

this^^^ x 2 TheCowsCameHome May 2015 #110

It will be up to Bernie and his staff to sell him. Thinkingabout May 2015 #57

Because he can't be bought. CharlotteVale May 2015 #63

You are going to have to explain how ... JoePhilly May 2015 #64

Because it's Hillary's turn.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #71

I knew it was only a matter of time.... MaggieD May 2015 #73

It's not up to the party. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #131

Democratic primary voters.... MaggieD May 2015 #132

And many of the younger ones aren't crazy about going back to the 90s.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #136

Warren is not running MaggieD May 2015 #159

Would you like her to? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #162

Absolutely MaggieD May 2015 #163

I keep thinking she could be talked into it. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #165

I did at first MaggieD May 2015 #167

After yesterday's performance BrotherIvan May 2015 #158

No, they are nasty to everyone MaggieD May 2015 #160

Take a step back and read the Bernie forum BrotherIvan May 2015 #164

Take a step back.... MaggieD May 2015 #166

So you think that was being nastier than you stating that anyone who doesn't agree BrotherIvan May 2015 #168

My position on what? MaggieD May 2015 #169

I don't make the rules and neither do you BrotherIvan May 2015 #172

Oh please... MaggieD May 2015 #175

You win BrotherIvan May 2015 #205

I didn't say a thing about her trustworthiness. Enthusiast May 2015 #201

I don't know who is electable or not anymore. What I do believe that whoever the Democratic nominee still_one May 2015 #74

Unfortunately that is the reality MaggieD May 2015 #79

You seem to think you have a monopoly on reality. Ed Suspicious May 2015 #190

It's not just me :) MaggieD May 2015 #191

Because he has chosen to brand himself pnwmom May 2015 #75

There is only one answer AgingAmerican May 2015 #78

A Senator faces a single statewide election. MohRokTah May 2015 #90

Because those who say "unelectable" rock May 2015 #95

Kind of a narrow demand, isn't it? Practically speaking, does anyone here really think.... George II May 2015 #97

Gun Control leftieNanner May 2015 #99

He won't play puppet for the corrupt class, and they control who is elected on point May 2015 #100

What makes you think it's about policy positions? IronLionZion May 2015 #101

Because the enemies of the people are against him, and they have the vote$ to stop him Jack Rabbit May 2015 #102

A: The word "Socialist" does not fare well at the voting booth. TheCowsCameHome May 2015 #103

It's right there in the title: "principled and honest" ghostsinthemachine May 2015 #107

He calls himself a socialist ConservativeDemocrat May 2015 #111

Remember the adage about how it's impossible to serve two masters? winter is coming May 2015 #115

Because the center and right wing dictators that run the party say so. Jamastiene May 2015 #117

+1 n/t BeanMusical May 2015 #181

So vote for him BainsBane May 2015 #118

It takes about $300,000 and an audience of millionaires before Hillary gets charismatic... whereisjustice May 2015 #119

Cracked Actor . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #137

I'M IN THIS all the way with Bernie! secondwind May 2015 #120

I'm Going With "Americans Are Too Stupid"... The Best Person For The Job Could Be... WillyT May 2015 #123

How old are the Supreme Court justices aspirant May 2015 #124

Well, that would explain alot! n/t Evergreen Emerald May 2015 #151

One of my heroes is Ginsburg..... wolfie001 May 2015 #212

TPTB ablamj May 2015 #130

He's the only one who's willing to expose TPTB, hence orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #134

Precisely the reason I will vote for Bernie Sanders. JEB May 2015 #140

I'll vote for him too, but ablamj May 2015 #142

We see the blatant attempts at marginalization JEB May 2015 #144

That's what they're doing now ablamj May 2015 #147

That dismissive shit is a desperate diversion from a orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #148

He's not unelectable. LWolf May 2015 #138

+1000 orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #141

He has weird hair and is a SOSHULIST!!!1! Jackpine Radical May 2015 #146

But he looks honest . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #149

Two more reasons to vote for him. JEB May 2015 #150

Probably the vision thing. Just say no is not a vision. nt ucrdem May 2015 #152

Good one ! orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #211

Bob Cesca lays out 5 solid obstacles BB_Smoke May 2015 #153

That article is spot on.... MaggieD May 2015 #171

"ongoing perfectionist freakout" steve2470 May 2015 #210

I love the guy. but... bluegopher May 2015 #154

Even Alberta got fed up and went left arikara May 2015 #180

"but we all know" Ed Suspicious May 2015 #192

You answered your own question: He's principled and honest. tclambert May 2015 #161

Immigration StarzGuy May 2015 #170

Bernie likes the kitteh ...that's all I need to know! L0oniX May 2015 #178

Me too. I understand that Bernie sleeps with three kittehs every night. Enthusiast May 2015 #203

He is so unelectable that I'm voting for him... blackspade May 2015 #179

Let's really energize the baby boomers aspirant May 2015 #183

Y'all can vote for whomever the fuck you want. Me? Sanders. I know nothing about "electable" lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #186

Principled and honest. Enthusiast May 2015 #194

It's because of the political positions of most of the people in the country treestar May 2015 #206

Because big money and Wall Street don't want him ibegurpard May 2015 #208

history tells us any conadidate from the extreme wing of their party is not electable in beachbum bob May 2015 #213

I do not have any policy position to bring up donnasgirl May 2015 #216

You nailed it: dpatbrown May 2015 #219

So you're saying any candidate with the "right" positions will automatically win? brooklynite May 2015 #220

I was a Ward Committeeman in my youth; 100% of my voters were Ivy League students... brooklynite May 2015 #221

Because fascism. n/t PowerToThePeople May 2015 #222

You don't have to be a media guru to figure this out. Adrahil May 2015 #225

Bernie isn't a serious candidate, it has been stated he will not take contributions from the 1% or Thinkingabout May 2015 #226

"the 99% does not have the money to make a serious campaign" PowerToThePeople May 2015 #229

Make your case by getting Bernie the funds to run. Unless those in favor of stopping CU Thinkingabout May 2015 #233

Why does it have to happen per the rules of the current elite? PowerToThePeople May 2015 #234

Bernie said he has had 200,000 people going to his web site to contribute. Thinkingabout May 2015 #236

because our corporate owned media says so TheFarseer May 2015 #228

Well, if you buy into the concept of "electability" skepticscott May 2015 #231

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious May 2015 #239

Because NOBODY achieves the presidency in a state of grace. aquart May 2015 #240

Bernie can't be elected because: bvar22 May 2015 #242

Greed rulez!!!!! moondust May 2015 #243