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MaggieD

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Sat May 9, 2015, 05:29 PM

May 2015

And no, I am not being coy about Bernie. I have said and will probably say a million more times in the primary season, I want the most liberal candidate that can be elected in the general. Period. I am not sure how many times I have to say it, but I will keep saying it. I am a liberal. I am not a moderate or conservative democrat, I am a liberal.

I am also a realist. And I am NOT an idealist. It is perfectly fine with me if you have high hopes. Don't stop believing. Fine with me.

That will not stop me from answering a post about why Bernie may be unelectable with what I see as realistic obstacles. For someone reason that offends Sanders supporters. No clue why, but it does.

Lastly, I don't think it's broad brush to say the nasty comments in your posts are typical of Sanders supporters. Look around.

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One of the most principled and honest senators is "unelectable", why? [View all] Kurska May 2015 OP

I can't wait for the answers. neverforget May 2015 #1

Those answers never actually contain a policy position Kurska May 2015 #26

So far he lacks charisma, he's old, he has no money neverforget May 2015 #68

Hilary Clinton is old and lacks charisma. sulphurdunn May 2015 #139

He would be 82/83 years old when he got into office WhiteTara May 2015 #182

WRONG!! LovingA2andMI May 2015 #185

"Old" leaders have never bothered most European nations. And 69 would not be considered "old" maddiemom May 2015 #214

Thanks for the correction. WhiteTara May 2015 #230

No Problem.... LovingA2andMI May 2015 #237

Ohhh! Ohhh! Make me younger too!!!! bvar22 May 2015 #241

Yes! MoonchildCA May 2015 #204

Because Americans are shallow, fearful, feckless, fickle, incurious, uninformed, cheapdate May 2015 #133

On the bright side, we've always been that way Orrex May 2015 #157

True. cheapdate May 2015 #173

Easily misled. Enthusiast May 2015 #195

I think the plan is that if HRC keeps quiet, she won't be apt to stumble and can rhett o rick May 2015 #244

He lacks charisma. DCBob May 2015 #2

He is fiery and passionate Kurska May 2015 #5

For a certain group you may be right.. DCBob May 2015 #11

Of course, you know mainstream America, DCBob? MrMickeysMom May 2015 #20

Doesnt take a genius. DCBob May 2015 #21

No, it doesn't... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #23

I have lived in Illinois, Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas, Florida, Maryland and the Philippines. DCBob May 2015 #28

Like I said... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #32

I pride myself in having a world vision. DCBob May 2015 #35

"I vote for what I think is best for the world"... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #45

You have no idea. DCBob May 2015 #51

Which is 'charisma'? daleanime May 2015 #47

Simply keeping a Democrat in the WH. DCBob May 2015 #50

So it's not voting for what you believe.... daleanime May 2015 #69

I vote for the candidate who has the best ideals and can also win. DCBob May 2015 #80

Like I said-acceptable,,, daleanime May 2015 #86

LOL.. doesnt make me feel bad at all. Just not the correct word. DCBob May 2015 #91

And everyone who thinks that way hates HRC, too. n/t. Ken Burch May 2015 #114

And yet he still got elected nxylas May 2015 #218

Actually, Bernie would be a major improvement to the Democratic Party, instead of the same old shit eloydude May 2015 #155

Yes! We shouldn't be afraid to fight for what we believe in! Dustlawyer May 2015 #227

! A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #77

Americans aren't as stupid as most people think. Kurska May 2015 #22

No.. they are stupider. DCBob May 2015 #25

B.S more Americans are more educated than ever Kurska May 2015 #29

and more influenced by RW media than ever... DCBob May 2015 #34

You've got that right MaggieD May 2015 #82

Isnt it sickening to see RW crap showing on DU to put down a Democratic candidate. DCBob May 2015 #85

Stick around and push back MaggieD May 2015 #88

Totally agree with your final comment. DCBob May 2015 #92

so much for free speech grasswire May 2015 #143

Your free speech here ends.... MaggieD May 2015 #145

My free speech ends when the candidate is nominated... Fairgo May 2015 #174

As I said - HERE MaggieD May 2015 #176

Thanks for the clarification Fairgo May 2015 #188

"If this were MY site I would ban every last one of them." Wow. madfloridian May 2015 #189

Wow what? MaggieD May 2015 #193

In all fairness, let's compare numbers banned from 3 candidates' groups. madfloridian May 2015 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Elmer S. E. Dump May 2015 #238

There is a difference between bashing and legitimate criticism Adrahil May 2015 #224

+10000 to that MaggieD May 2015 #55

Then why do we have a Republican Congress, Supreme Court and I bet doc03 May 2015 #38

He can get the message over to the.... Rosa Luxemburg May 2015 #109

He would connect if the media wasn't so completely biased. Enthusiast May 2015 #196

Which explains why Jeb would even consider running. maddiemom May 2015 #215

Republican techniques for winning are different. DCBob May 2015 #217

+1. He's the real deal. winter is coming May 2015 #116

Know who else was "Not scripted, not hyper-polished; honestly speaking his mind."? Ron Paul brooklynite May 2015 #235

Hillary lacks charisma. PADemD May 2015 #81

She has something because she connects to large numbers of people. DCBob May 2015 #83

Meh PADemD May 2015 #94

I am sure you will be missed. DCBob May 2015 #96

She has more than enough money. JEB May 2015 #135

Translated... She has far bigger marketing campaigns by the corporate media... cascadiance May 2015 #209

HRC has no charisma, as far as that goes n/t. Ken Burch May 2015 #113

And he's positively unattractive treestar May 2015 #207

IF that is true, it means there has been a coup d'etat in this country and naturally anyone sabrina 1 May 2015 #3

No, there actually hasn't been a coup d'etat MaggieD May 2015 #12

I don't know any 'stupid' voters. I know ignorant voters mainly because those same sabrina 1 May 2015 #31

This should be its own OP! ^^^^^^^^^ Thank you! CaliforniaPeggy May 2015 #65

Agree that this should be an OP. Scuba May 2015 #112

I have never understood the contempt some politicos hold for voters. winter is coming May 2015 #121

Thank you, it's disgusting, elitist and doesn't belong on a Dem forum, or at least didn't just a few sabrina 1 May 2015 #187

Wonderful post, sabrina 1. Enthusiast May 2015 #199

Selection 2000. eom. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #223

Sen Sanders is infinately more electable the Hillary Goldman Sachs Clinton. 99Forever May 2015 #4

Yes, I see... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #7

Why do you think so? MaggieD May 2015 #8

Not to butt in but they haven't stood on stage together yet imnew May 2015 #17

Oh come on.... MaggieD May 2015 #6

Saint Ronald was a few days short of 70. Kurska May 2015 #9

He was 69 MaggieD May 2015 #13

69 years, 349 days Kurska May 2015 #16

I'm talking about when he was running MaggieD May 2015 #19

The young will love his positions and the old vote in droves Kurska May 2015 #33

I don't know if people will "attack" him MaggieD May 2015 #48

Remember when the founders were around the average life expectancy was Agschmid May 2015 #39

The Constitution requires a President to be at least 35. thesquanderer May 2015 #60

Techniclly not true. PeaceNikki May 2015 #66

Yes I estimated... Agschmid May 2015 #70

No need to guess.... MaggieD May 2015 #84

What does this list have to do with the average life expectancy in the 1700's? Agschmid May 2015 #126

I'm talking about the age of presidents MaggieD May 2015 #128

But if you made it to adult ... GeorgeGist May 2015 #177

Yes. Agschmid May 2015 #184

"� the reasons people think he is a longshot" ??? MrMickeysMom May 2015 #15

Well a YouGov polls for one MaggieD May 2015 #30

Actually, most people do NOT exhibit signs as you say... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #44

50% is quite a lot MaggieD May 2015 #49

Really� you think that a lot of his supporters are some of the nastiest people? MrMickeysMom May 2015 #61

I do think that, yes MaggieD May 2015 #67

My mother will be 91 in August. SamKnause May 2015 #89

Well your mother is not.... MaggieD May 2015 #98

The elderly people you come in contact with SamKnause May 2015 #104

I didn't compare the two MaggieD May 2015 #105

But who are they asking? marlakay May 2015 #200

Here you go.... MaggieD May 2015 #202

They ask a bunch of times what you are politically marlakay May 2015 #232

Social Democrats versus Democratic Socialists 1939 May 2015 #43

Welcome to DU... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #46

Bernie is a Democratic Socialist.... MaggieD May 2015 #52

Bernie may call himelf a Democratic Socialist 1939 May 2015 #122

Okey dokey then MaggieD May 2015 #129

yes. yes. yes. Hiraeth May 2015 #198

Yup - exactly! OhZone May 2015 #156

Kurska, this is the second time this year we've agreed on something. I'm getting a little freaked! Scootaloo May 2015 #10

Some of those are ludicrious.... MaggieD May 2015 #14

Which ones are your favorites? hootinholler May 2015 #36

I already posted the things I think are obstacles MaggieD May 2015 #37

Oh, I see hootinholler May 2015 #54

Yes, our realities definitely differ MaggieD May 2015 #58

I'm being nasty? hootinholler May 2015 #72

This crap isn't nasty? MaggieD May 2015 #76

Admittedly I should have said Would you? hootinholler May 2015 #87

Thanks MaggieD May 2015 #93

MaggieD is spot on... PosterChild May 2015 #127

His initials are BS Martin Eden May 2015 #24

Better, or worse than candidate "Barack Hussein Obama"? Scootaloo May 2015 #41

You've got a point there Martin Eden May 2015 #106

Yep, the political discourse in the US is absurd Scootaloo May 2015 #125

He's unelectable because we've been told he's unelectable ... Martin Eden May 2015 #18

Teevee says he's unelectable. The same teevee that will receive BILLIONS in Super-PAC money. arcane1 May 2015 #27

Americans young and old can't deny the reasons why, we Need Bernie . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #40

your president says he (the senator) is wrong. is that a good enuff reason? nt msongs May 2015 #42

I think you're confusing President with Emperor Kurska May 2015 #59

Your subject line answered its own question Warpy May 2015 #53

It's not his policies that are the problem. sufrommich May 2015 #56

Very true, IMO MaggieD May 2015 #62

this^^^ stonecutter357 May 2015 #108

this^^^ x 2 TheCowsCameHome May 2015 #110

It will be up to Bernie and his staff to sell him. Thinkingabout May 2015 #57

Because he can't be bought. CharlotteVale May 2015 #63

You are going to have to explain how ... JoePhilly May 2015 #64

Because it's Hillary's turn.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #71

I knew it was only a matter of time.... MaggieD May 2015 #73

It's not up to the party. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #131

Democratic primary voters.... MaggieD May 2015 #132

And many of the younger ones aren't crazy about going back to the 90s.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #136

Warren is not running MaggieD May 2015 #159

Would you like her to? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #162

Absolutely MaggieD May 2015 #163

I keep thinking she could be talked into it. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #165

I did at first MaggieD May 2015 #167

After yesterday's performance BrotherIvan May 2015 #158

No, they are nasty to everyone MaggieD May 2015 #160

Take a step back and read the Bernie forum BrotherIvan May 2015 #164

Take a step back.... MaggieD May 2015 #166

So you think that was being nastier than you stating that anyone who doesn't agree BrotherIvan May 2015 #168

My position on what? MaggieD May 2015 #169

I don't make the rules and neither do you BrotherIvan May 2015 #172

Oh please... MaggieD May 2015 #175

You win BrotherIvan May 2015 #205

I didn't say a thing about her trustworthiness. Enthusiast May 2015 #201

I don't know who is electable or not anymore. What I do believe that whoever the Democratic nominee still_one May 2015 #74

Unfortunately that is the reality MaggieD May 2015 #79

You seem to think you have a monopoly on reality. Ed Suspicious May 2015 #190

It's not just me :) MaggieD May 2015 #191

Because he has chosen to brand himself pnwmom May 2015 #75

There is only one answer AgingAmerican May 2015 #78

A Senator faces a single statewide election. MohRokTah May 2015 #90

Because those who say "unelectable" rock May 2015 #95

Kind of a narrow demand, isn't it? Practically speaking, does anyone here really think.... George II May 2015 #97

Gun Control leftieNanner May 2015 #99

He won't play puppet for the corrupt class, and they control who is elected on point May 2015 #100

What makes you think it's about policy positions? IronLionZion May 2015 #101

Because the enemies of the people are against him, and they have the vote$ to stop him Jack Rabbit May 2015 #102

A: The word "Socialist" does not fare well at the voting booth. TheCowsCameHome May 2015 #103

It's right there in the title: "principled and honest" ghostsinthemachine May 2015 #107

He calls himself a socialist ConservativeDemocrat May 2015 #111

Remember the adage about how it's impossible to serve two masters? winter is coming May 2015 #115

Because the center and right wing dictators that run the party say so. Jamastiene May 2015 #117

+1 n/t BeanMusical May 2015 #181

So vote for him BainsBane May 2015 #118

It takes about $300,000 and an audience of millionaires before Hillary gets charismatic... whereisjustice May 2015 #119

Cracked Actor . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #137

I'M IN THIS all the way with Bernie! secondwind May 2015 #120

I'm Going With "Americans Are Too Stupid"... The Best Person For The Job Could Be... WillyT May 2015 #123

How old are the Supreme Court justices aspirant May 2015 #124

Well, that would explain alot! n/t Evergreen Emerald May 2015 #151

One of my heroes is Ginsburg..... wolfie001 May 2015 #212

TPTB ablamj May 2015 #130

He's the only one who's willing to expose TPTB, hence orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #134

Precisely the reason I will vote for Bernie Sanders. JEB May 2015 #140

I'll vote for him too, but ablamj May 2015 #142

We see the blatant attempts at marginalization JEB May 2015 #144

That's what they're doing now ablamj May 2015 #147

That dismissive shit is a desperate diversion from a orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #148

He's not unelectable. LWolf May 2015 #138

+1000 orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #141

He has weird hair and is a SOSHULIST!!!1! Jackpine Radical May 2015 #146

But he looks honest . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #149

Two more reasons to vote for him. JEB May 2015 #150

Probably the vision thing. Just say no is not a vision. nt ucrdem May 2015 #152

Good one ! orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #211

Bob Cesca lays out 5 solid obstacles BB_Smoke May 2015 #153

That article is spot on.... MaggieD May 2015 #171

"ongoing perfectionist freakout" steve2470 May 2015 #210

I love the guy. but... bluegopher May 2015 #154

Even Alberta got fed up and went left arikara May 2015 #180

"but we all know" Ed Suspicious May 2015 #192

You answered your own question: He's principled and honest. tclambert May 2015 #161

Immigration StarzGuy May 2015 #170

Bernie likes the kitteh ...that's all I need to know! L0oniX May 2015 #178

Me too. I understand that Bernie sleeps with three kittehs every night. Enthusiast May 2015 #203

He is so unelectable that I'm voting for him... blackspade May 2015 #179

Let's really energize the baby boomers aspirant May 2015 #183

Y'all can vote for whomever the fuck you want. Me? Sanders. I know nothing about "electable" lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #186

Principled and honest. Enthusiast May 2015 #194

It's because of the political positions of most of the people in the country treestar May 2015 #206

Because big money and Wall Street don't want him ibegurpard May 2015 #208

history tells us any conadidate from the extreme wing of their party is not electable in beachbum bob May 2015 #213

I do not have any policy position to bring up donnasgirl May 2015 #216

You nailed it: dpatbrown May 2015 #219

So you're saying any candidate with the "right" positions will automatically win? brooklynite May 2015 #220

I was a Ward Committeeman in my youth; 100% of my voters were Ivy League students... brooklynite May 2015 #221

Because fascism. n/t PowerToThePeople May 2015 #222

You don't have to be a media guru to figure this out. Adrahil May 2015 #225

Bernie isn't a serious candidate, it has been stated he will not take contributions from the 1% or Thinkingabout May 2015 #226

"the 99% does not have the money to make a serious campaign" PowerToThePeople May 2015 #229

Make your case by getting Bernie the funds to run. Unless those in favor of stopping CU Thinkingabout May 2015 #233

Why does it have to happen per the rules of the current elite? PowerToThePeople May 2015 #234

Bernie said he has had 200,000 people going to his web site to contribute. Thinkingabout May 2015 #236

because our corporate owned media says so TheFarseer May 2015 #228

Well, if you buy into the concept of "electability" skepticscott May 2015 #231

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious May 2015 #239

Because NOBODY achieves the presidency in a state of grace. aquart May 2015 #240

Bernie can't be elected because: bvar22 May 2015 #242

Greed rulez!!!!! moondust May 2015 #243