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yallerdawg

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12. Why would Obama take up this fight?

Reply to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Sat May 9, 2015, 06:25 PM

May 2015

From article:

"...whatever his gift of oratory, his real passion is for the triumph of reason over histrionics."

"If Obama can’t get fast-track authority through Congress, he won’t have much chance at negotiating a final deal. But if he can, then he might well be able to claim one last, major legislative victory — and the only one in his presidency with broad, bipartisan support. And not only that, but a victory that gets back to the promise inherent in his first presidential campaign — the promise to adapt American liberalism to the economic realities of the 21st century, without simply bowing before capital or raging against it."

He might need his anger translator soon! Kick ass, Obama!

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Why Obama is happy to fight Elizabeth Warren on the trade deal (Yahoo! article) [View all] YoungDemCA May 2015 OP

If Warren's concerns are "speculative", doesn't that word also apply to Obama's assurances? n/t arcane1 May 2015 #1

Obama gets so much wrong on this issue. ananda May 2015 #2

wow, what crap cali May 2015 #3

If you think Wall Street wanted Dodd-Frank... YoungDemCA May 2015 #4

Obama largely let wall street off the hook cali May 2015 #6

What did you want him to do instead? MaggieD May 2015 #21

To be like 2007 candidate Obama speaking here?: think May 2015 #46

I'm referring to her comment about... MaggieD May 2015 #50

Bernie can't win Tommy2Tone May 2015 #106

so what, dear? And I've never ever said he could. cali May 2015 #115

Dodd - Frank? paleotn May 2015 #22

+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2015 #109

I'd like to see the deal so we can decide for ourselves BainsBane May 2015 #5

IMO, there is more than enough info currently available.... MaggieD May 2015 #14

This makes a valid point. True Blue Door May 2015 #7

Thanks for providing the historical and geopolitical context YoungDemCA May 2015 #8

Nobody wants to fight for a better Trade Deal???? BS bvar22 May 2015 #51

That seems like quite a cart and horse reversal. True Blue Door May 2015 #56

I don't think you understand what is happening. truedelphi May 2015 #74

If that's the case, how would relocating the focus of trade from China to SE Asian nations True Blue Door May 2015 #77

Well said. DCBob May 2015 #82

Fine, then doesn't the burden of fredamae May 2015 #9

All the terms of the TPA & TPP will be shown before the vote. At least 60 days before the vote. Also okaawhatever May 2015 #16

Thx..I understood fredamae May 2015 #18

But, But, but, say the truedelphi May 2015 #91

Well he might have a point with this statement.... MaggieD May 2015 #10

interesting argument. thanks. nt seabeyond May 2015 #11

Why would Obama take up this fight? yallerdawg May 2015 #12

And it seems he has accomplished much of the "adapt American liberalism to the okaawhatever May 2015 #17

except that he is far more conservative than Reagan Doctor_J May 2015 #32

It won't be corporate or Wall Street asses, Art_from_Ark May 2015 #39

More conservative than Reagan. yallerdawg May 2015 #43

Yes, the first black President-a Democrat-is "far more conservative" than Ronald fucking Reagan YoungDemCA May 2015 #69

Starting to get why so many Democrats have grabbed their keys and high tailed it out of here? Number23 May 2015 #80

Ridiculous. Bobbie Jo May 2015 #94

Obama is a politician just like Warren. The fact that the neverforget May 2015 #13

You could learn more about it than that MaggieD May 2015 #15

My union is against it. Environmental groups are against it. neverforget May 2015 #19

Well at least you're not claiming... MaggieD May 2015 #20

Why would I support something sight unseen? neverforget May 2015 #24

Why would you be against something sight unseen? MaggieD May 2015 #27

How can you be informed on something secret? neverforget May 2015 #33

I gave you a link with great detail MaggieD May 2015 #34

you're funny. all those Congress people who say it's secret neverforget May 2015 #38

Warren talks about it all the time, but she's misinterpreted a lot of things. Hoyt May 2015 #96

proof? neverforget May 2015 #97

Right, but Hoyt of the presitigious "Internet" has interpreted it correctly. /nt Marr May 2015 #107

I know when she says you won't know what the TPP says for 4 years, she's either misinformed or Hoyt May 2015 #108

Indeed! He doesn't even seem to know MannyGoldstein May 2015 #54

Knowing why you're against something is... MaggieD May 2015 #64

The Tea Party is against it, though YoungDemCA May 2015 #65

A big plus one! Enthusiast May 2015 #111

Well, Tbaggers seem to share your view. Using your logic, what should that tell you? Hoyt May 2015 #95

Fact. Enthusiast May 2015 #110

''I had this massive fight with Wall Street.'' Octafish May 2015 #23

yeah I caught that too Doctor_J May 2015 #30

''My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.'' Octafish May 2015 #86

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast May 2015 #112

He has almost no credibility left, after 6 years of selling out liberals on every issue Doctor_J May 2015 #25

He's no longer pure enough for the purists? MaggieD May 2015 #28

Really? Who are these "liberals"? YoungDemCA May 2015 #68

"Triumph of reason over histrionics"? winter is coming May 2015 #26

So, should we close trade with Asian countries? MaggieD May 2015 #29

TPP or nothing at all aren't our only options. winter is coming May 2015 #31

You realize TPP is happening... MaggieD May 2015 #36

I much agree, with your points about truedelphi May 2015 #75

seriously? cali May 2015 #41

Of course we do MaggieD May 2015 #44

And why is it good that tariffs are low? truedelphi May 2015 #76

+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2015 #113

Obama should just shut up unless he doesn't care anymore for exposing who he really is AZ Progressive May 2015 #35

He's a liberal, trade is liberal. ucrdem May 2015 #40

trade can be liberal. it can be oppressive cali May 2015 #45

Right, it needs to be regulated, ucrdem May 2015 #48

And that's one of the points for TPP MaggieD May 2015 #52

ANd this would affect the malingering mdidle class exactly how? truedelphi May 2015 #101

That's not the way it works MaggieD May 2015 #103

Neo-liberal. Much different. nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #59

Could be but just tossing the word out doesn't change anything. nt ucrdem May 2015 #62

Well, on the other hand, if you know what "Neoliberal" means, it changes everything. RiverLover May 2015 #67

In your mind sure. But I can't read your mind. nt ucrdem May 2015 #70

+1. YoungDemCA May 2015 #63

If they're making bank on playing reactionary isolationists, they're going to keep it up. ucrdem May 2015 #37

this has jackrabbit to do with isolationism cali May 2015 #47

Thanks for that compelling counterargument. nt ucrdem May 2015 #49

Actually it has everything to do with isolationism MaggieD May 2015 #53

In the absence of a substantial alternative proposal, I agree. ucrdem May 2015 #58

This is all about xenophobia, yes - as well as being reactionary YoungDemCA May 2015 #66

That's the thing - the ship has sailed MaggieD May 2015 #72

no, that's bullshit. cali May 2015 #116

The problem is not that... MaggieD May 2015 #117

under current structures, that is substantially (although not wholly) true. cali May 2015 #118

He compared her to Sarah Palin. CharlotteVale May 2015 #42

I object to President Obama saying that Senator Warren is "a Politician like everyone else" diabeticman May 2015 #55

Mr. Smith was fictional character MaggieD May 2015 #73

But FDR, Truman, Kennedy, and truedelphi May 2015 #78

I think you are idealizing them... MaggieD May 2015 #88

Idealizing? TM99 May 2015 #92

Nope MaggieD May 2015 #93

Your posts on Clinton TM99 May 2015 #98

No they don't MaggieD May 2015 #99

Yes, actually they do. TM99 May 2015 #100

i will leave it to you to pay closer attention to MaggieD. truedelphi May 2015 #105

BUT it inspired people to believe that the words "Of the People by the people". We need that hope diabeticman May 2015 #81

Icarus Obama has picked a fight with the wrong person. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #57

And you accuse Obama supporters of hero worship! YoungDemCA May 2015 #60

LOL. ucrdem May 2015 #71

Ok. One more hand. I'm sure I'll win this time. JEB May 2015 #61

l vote for the time machine tk2kewl May 2015 #79

Be nice if we had... MaggieD May 2015 #84

Can always change course though tk2kewl May 2015 #85

Well Obama is right that.... MaggieD May 2015 #87

Write trade laws thar require a living wage and protect workers, places and the environment. tk2kewl May 2015 #89

That's the idea MaggieD May 2015 #90

Hear! Hear! n/t truedelphi May 2015 #102

What a pile of spinning horseshit. GoneFishin May 2015 #83

I like the point that TPP is "signalling" mostly, like Keystone XL Recursion May 2015 #104

Obama embarrased himself and did a disservice to the office of the Presidency Larkspur May 2015 #114