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59. Neo-liberal. Much different. nt

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Why Obama is happy to fight Elizabeth Warren on the trade deal (Yahoo! article) [View all] YoungDemCA May 2015 OP

If Warren's concerns are "speculative", doesn't that word also apply to Obama's assurances? n/t arcane1 May 2015 #1

Obama gets so much wrong on this issue. ananda May 2015 #2

wow, what crap cali May 2015 #3

If you think Wall Street wanted Dodd-Frank... YoungDemCA May 2015 #4

Obama largely let wall street off the hook cali May 2015 #6

What did you want him to do instead? MaggieD May 2015 #21

To be like 2007 candidate Obama speaking here?: think May 2015 #46

I'm referring to her comment about... MaggieD May 2015 #50

Bernie can't win Tommy2Tone May 2015 #106

so what, dear? And I've never ever said he could. cali May 2015 #115

Dodd - Frank? paleotn May 2015 #22

+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2015 #109

I'd like to see the deal so we can decide for ourselves BainsBane May 2015 #5

IMO, there is more than enough info currently available.... MaggieD May 2015 #14

This makes a valid point. True Blue Door May 2015 #7

Thanks for providing the historical and geopolitical context YoungDemCA May 2015 #8

Nobody wants to fight for a better Trade Deal???? BS bvar22 May 2015 #51

That seems like quite a cart and horse reversal. True Blue Door May 2015 #56

I don't think you understand what is happening. truedelphi May 2015 #74

If that's the case, how would relocating the focus of trade from China to SE Asian nations True Blue Door May 2015 #77

Well said. DCBob May 2015 #82

Fine, then doesn't the burden of fredamae May 2015 #9

All the terms of the TPA & TPP will be shown before the vote. At least 60 days before the vote. Also okaawhatever May 2015 #16

Thx..I understood fredamae May 2015 #18

But, But, but, say the truedelphi May 2015 #91

Well he might have a point with this statement.... MaggieD May 2015 #10

interesting argument. thanks. nt seabeyond May 2015 #11

Why would Obama take up this fight? yallerdawg May 2015 #12

And it seems he has accomplished much of the "adapt American liberalism to the okaawhatever May 2015 #17

except that he is far more conservative than Reagan Doctor_J May 2015 #32

It won't be corporate or Wall Street asses, Art_from_Ark May 2015 #39

More conservative than Reagan. yallerdawg May 2015 #43

Yes, the first black President-a Democrat-is "far more conservative" than Ronald fucking Reagan YoungDemCA May 2015 #69

Starting to get why so many Democrats have grabbed their keys and high tailed it out of here? Number23 May 2015 #80

Ridiculous. Bobbie Jo May 2015 #94

Obama is a politician just like Warren. The fact that the neverforget May 2015 #13

You could learn more about it than that MaggieD May 2015 #15

My union is against it. Environmental groups are against it. neverforget May 2015 #19

Well at least you're not claiming... MaggieD May 2015 #20

Why would I support something sight unseen? neverforget May 2015 #24

Why would you be against something sight unseen? MaggieD May 2015 #27

How can you be informed on something secret? neverforget May 2015 #33

I gave you a link with great detail MaggieD May 2015 #34

you're funny. all those Congress people who say it's secret neverforget May 2015 #38

Warren talks about it all the time, but she's misinterpreted a lot of things. Hoyt May 2015 #96

proof? neverforget May 2015 #97

Right, but Hoyt of the presitigious "Internet" has interpreted it correctly. /nt Marr May 2015 #107

I know when she says you won't know what the TPP says for 4 years, she's either misinformed or Hoyt May 2015 #108

Indeed! He doesn't even seem to know MannyGoldstein May 2015 #54

Knowing why you're against something is... MaggieD May 2015 #64

The Tea Party is against it, though YoungDemCA May 2015 #65

A big plus one! Enthusiast May 2015 #111

Well, Tbaggers seem to share your view. Using your logic, what should that tell you? Hoyt May 2015 #95

Fact. Enthusiast May 2015 #110

''I had this massive fight with Wall Street.'' Octafish May 2015 #23

yeah I caught that too Doctor_J May 2015 #30

''My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.'' Octafish May 2015 #86

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast May 2015 #112

He has almost no credibility left, after 6 years of selling out liberals on every issue Doctor_J May 2015 #25

He's no longer pure enough for the purists? MaggieD May 2015 #28

Really? Who are these "liberals"? YoungDemCA May 2015 #68

"Triumph of reason over histrionics"? winter is coming May 2015 #26

So, should we close trade with Asian countries? MaggieD May 2015 #29

TPP or nothing at all aren't our only options. winter is coming May 2015 #31

You realize TPP is happening... MaggieD May 2015 #36

I much agree, with your points about truedelphi May 2015 #75

seriously? cali May 2015 #41

Of course we do MaggieD May 2015 #44

And why is it good that tariffs are low? truedelphi May 2015 #76

+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2015 #113

Obama should just shut up unless he doesn't care anymore for exposing who he really is AZ Progressive May 2015 #35

He's a liberal, trade is liberal. ucrdem May 2015 #40

trade can be liberal. it can be oppressive cali May 2015 #45

Right, it needs to be regulated, ucrdem May 2015 #48

And that's one of the points for TPP MaggieD May 2015 #52

ANd this would affect the malingering mdidle class exactly how? truedelphi May 2015 #101

That's not the way it works MaggieD May 2015 #103

Neo-liberal. Much different. nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #59

Could be but just tossing the word out doesn't change anything. nt ucrdem May 2015 #62

Well, on the other hand, if you know what "Neoliberal" means, it changes everything. RiverLover May 2015 #67

In your mind sure. But I can't read your mind. nt ucrdem May 2015 #70

+1. YoungDemCA May 2015 #63

If they're making bank on playing reactionary isolationists, they're going to keep it up. ucrdem May 2015 #37

this has jackrabbit to do with isolationism cali May 2015 #47

Thanks for that compelling counterargument. nt ucrdem May 2015 #49

Actually it has everything to do with isolationism MaggieD May 2015 #53

In the absence of a substantial alternative proposal, I agree. ucrdem May 2015 #58

This is all about xenophobia, yes - as well as being reactionary YoungDemCA May 2015 #66

That's the thing - the ship has sailed MaggieD May 2015 #72

no, that's bullshit. cali May 2015 #116

The problem is not that... MaggieD May 2015 #117

under current structures, that is substantially (although not wholly) true. cali May 2015 #118

He compared her to Sarah Palin. CharlotteVale May 2015 #42

I object to President Obama saying that Senator Warren is "a Politician like everyone else" diabeticman May 2015 #55

Mr. Smith was fictional character MaggieD May 2015 #73

But FDR, Truman, Kennedy, and truedelphi May 2015 #78

I think you are idealizing them... MaggieD May 2015 #88

Idealizing? TM99 May 2015 #92

Nope MaggieD May 2015 #93

Your posts on Clinton TM99 May 2015 #98

No they don't MaggieD May 2015 #99

Yes, actually they do. TM99 May 2015 #100

i will leave it to you to pay closer attention to MaggieD. truedelphi May 2015 #105

BUT it inspired people to believe that the words "Of the People by the people". We need that hope diabeticman May 2015 #81

Icarus Obama has picked a fight with the wrong person. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #57

And you accuse Obama supporters of hero worship! YoungDemCA May 2015 #60

LOL. ucrdem May 2015 #71

Ok. One more hand. I'm sure I'll win this time. JEB May 2015 #61

l vote for the time machine tk2kewl May 2015 #79

Be nice if we had... MaggieD May 2015 #84

Can always change course though tk2kewl May 2015 #85

Well Obama is right that.... MaggieD May 2015 #87

Write trade laws thar require a living wage and protect workers, places and the environment. tk2kewl May 2015 #89

That's the idea MaggieD May 2015 #90

Hear! Hear! n/t truedelphi May 2015 #102

What a pile of spinning horseshit. GoneFishin May 2015 #83

I like the point that TPP is "signalling" mostly, like Keystone XL Recursion May 2015 #104

Obama embarrased himself and did a disservice to the office of the Presidency Larkspur May 2015 #114