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In reply to the discussion: Every word I have heard from Bernie Sanders [View all]DirkGently
(12,151 posts)101. He's no more radical than they, for sure.
Somehow all of America has been convinced that the liberalism that worked for everyone, that in many cases was not even seriously questioned because it was to clearly just the right thing to do, is now some kind of wacky alien thinking impossible to contemplate.
In the meantime, mainstream Republicans routinely suggest and even try to implement things like abolishing the IRS, eliminating all right to abortion, trying to start a war with Iran, or shutting down the federal government to put a stop to ... healthcare.
Our frame of reference is gigantically off. Normal grownup countries don't snicker at ideas like protecting labor or worker pensions or building infrastructure. They don't spend their time "debating" whether science about evolution or science about climate, or whether the earth has maybe only been a few thousand years.
We have to fight for the idea that banks can't just gamble with everyone's money, take it, then extort whatever loss THEY might have suffered in the process back out of the taxpayers. And we're not winning that fight.
It's just possible the pendulum is finally ready to swing back a little closer to reality, but in the meantime it's interesting to see people snickering at the idea that anything contradictory to the mountains of hyper-capitalist nonsense, which nobody actually believes anyway, is just too impossible to contemplate.
It is possible. The insanity bubble just might burst. History will not remember Bernie Sanders-type ideas as amusingly radical. It will wonder how the loopy, trickle-down, frack the earth, "center-right" nonsense that comprises our present status quo got so radical, and why it took so long for us to do anything about it.
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But they are very much in the minority. Bernie is by far the most representative candidate
sabrina 1
May 2015
#69
I am not sure it will be a scrap. Hillary has been moving left in her speeches as fast as she can.
jwirr
May 2015
#71
Not publishing what a prominent politician says is one of the frequently used ways of trying to
Cal33
May 2015
#18
I guess all traditional Democrats have become 'fringe' in favor of the Third Way...
PatrickforO
May 2015
#20
I think it's pretty evident that you haven't the first idea what "dog whistling" means
Scootaloo
May 2015
#51
He's actually engaging in some post-modern irony, since Hillary in 2008
KingCharlemagne
May 2015
#64
But your post suggested Sanders was dog-whistling. To which one might retort,
KingCharlemagne
May 2015
#104
Sanders' TPP stand is reactionary but what I'm objecting to is his dog whistling. nt
ucrdem
May 2015
#93
Reactionary means resisting reform. In Sanders' case he's also being dishonest.
ucrdem
May 2015
#110
Reactionary is the second term you've failed to understand in this thread.
DisgustipatedinCA
May 2015
#115
That's not exactly what reactionary means. But I'm asking why you think Sanders is reactionary.
cui bono
May 2015
#116
That's not true. Most of what he says is directed at issues. I know for some people issues are
rhett o rick
May 2015
#81
People who make labels the most important part of their political decision-making
Maedhros
May 2015
#80
Not true. Labels have impotance, meaning and signifcance above and beyond....
PosterChild
May 2015
#88
And so rather than allow the right wing to define what labels are or are not, we need to be proud
cui bono
May 2015
#96
Most of our social programs are democratically socialist. Why not call them what they are?
cui bono
May 2015
#95
Fox News dictates rightness and leftness. If they say he's fringe, he's fringe. Truthiness, not
valerief
May 2015
#33
Because the Democratic Party is no longer what it used to be. That's why.
liberal_at_heart
May 2015
#40
Who says he is on the fringe, except for right-wing media and some Internet posters? nt
ohnoyoudidnt
May 2015
#42
Bernie is considered to be on the fringe of the Democratic Party due to so many
truedelphi
May 2015
#48
The idea that Bernie is on the "fringe" of the Democratic Party is utter bullshit.
Enthusiast
May 2015
#55
he is the one declaring himself the fringe, call him democratic socialist. i personally, would have
seabeyond
May 2015
#82
yes. he has a message that people will like. yes, he has called himself democratic socialist.
seabeyond
May 2015
#86
The citizens of the USA will be voting for President. It would be a lot easier for him
pnwmom
May 2015
#114
Or any domestic policy speech by the current President, for that matter.
True Blue Door
May 2015
#97