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In reply to the discussion: A message to anyone who doesn't support gay marriage. [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)151. Marriage is not a religious word
if you are an atheist wouldn't you prefer to have a civil union to avoid association with a religion you didn't believe in - so long as you had the same legal rights? Or would you prefer to get married in a church?
Yes, lots of religions have marriage ceremonies. And lots of non-religious institutions have marriage ceremonies. For example, my wife and I were married in a casino in Las Vegas. "God" was never mentioned.
I do not want a civil union, because separate is inherently not equal.
The theory that the baby boomers are the sole supporters of this agenda is compelling, however their argument is actually based on biblical history and shared among others.
The problem with this argument is you aren't bothering to find out what public opinion polls show. You're pontificating from your own prejudices.
"Gen X" and "Gen Y" overwhelmingly support marriage equality. Baby boomers and older overwhelmingly oppose it. Baby boomers will die before Gen X and Gen Y, removing their votes. Thus, marriage equality will happen. Gen X and Gen Y have already been through all the "bible study" they would need for indoctrination to take hold, and they still support marriage equality.
I'm not sure how a new generation could read the Bible differently, unless they specifically chose to ignore those parts.
It changes because they realize they don't get to force other people to follow their religion. They are far more "live and let live" than the baby boomers.
Your analogy relating "separate but equal" to this issue is, IMO, way off. If you grant civil unions to homosexuals and hence, grant them the same rights as any other married couple, how would they be separate as it was when "colored people" had to use "separate" facilities such as restrooms and water fountains?
"Apartment for rent. Only married couples". This isn't difficult to figure out how civil unions would be considered "second class". Mostly because it would be a repeat of segregation.
You don't have to be religious (See 1st Amend). And you shouldn't have to be religious to enjoy the rights that a religious American enjoys (See Constitution). A compromise must be made so that this is the reality.
No, no compromise is necessarily.
Religions can already discriminate on who they can marry. I can't get married in most Catholic churches, because I'm not Catholic. I can't get married in most synagogues because I'm not Jewish. I can't get married in most evangelical churches, because I'm not Christian. I can't get married in most Mosques, because I'm not Muslim.
Legalizing "gay marriage" does not require any religion to recognize or perform that marriage any more than they are required to recognize or perform my atheist heterosexual marriage. What it does require is the legal system to recognize that marriage. And the legal system is, according to the Constitution, completely secular.
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You should post this on the WRAL site. I doubt many here are not supporting gay marriage. nt
gateley
May 2012
#1
This comes up on DU every election cycle. After initial shock, I ceased being surprised in 2004. nt
DRoseDARs
May 2012
#39
On the other hand, he may have garnered some pro-gay marriage voters who aren't
gateley
May 2012
#61
My generation is overwhelmingly infavor of it, but I have even more respect for older folks on the
Kurska
May 2012
#13
Young people in the sixties were overwhelmingly against war, then they grew up and voted GOP.
Dawgs
May 2012
#76
Not sure we should care much about the feelings of the people the OP's referring to. (nt)
Posteritatis
May 2012
#12
I agree. And we have no national leaders to lead the charge of the public shaming of bigots.
Luminous Animal
May 2012
#22
Fuck them all. They can't be won over with honey. But, they will eventually die out.
morningfog
May 2012
#71
I'm so sick of that pansy-ass line it makes me wanna puke every time I see a DUer spew it. nt
froster
May 2012
#176
Are you saying everyone who doesn't support gay marriage is...old? Not sure what you mean, though I
uppityperson
May 2012
#10
Thanks for clarifying for me. That would be wonderful and I do think things are changing overall.
uppityperson
May 2012
#62
"like I said upthread it is hard to break with peers on issues like this."
WinniSkipper
May 2012
#139
I suspect that the OP will be as disillusioned with his own generation at my age as I am with my own
Fumesucker
May 2012
#193
Yes, but the older generations definitely spew more hate and bigotry, my dear.
Cali_Democrat
May 2012
#33
Of course I remember that, honey, but please see recent polls on marriage equality:
Cali_Democrat
May 2012
#40
There may be, but I have not seen anyone post that they are against gay marriage.
JoePhilly
May 2012
#114
Actually it's called "that poster is no longer with us because they are a bigot"...but then neither
ScreamingMeemie
May 2012
#182
There's a realpolitik contingent here that would rather defer their support until "later."
Posteritatis
May 2012
#43
You won't get many (any?) to respond directly to your message as DU automatically bans
kelly1mm
May 2012
#37
Someone on here posted earlier that minority voters tend to oppose same-sex marriage.
Jamaal510
May 2012
#59
Why on EARTH would you believe that "statistic?" It's FALSE. You should KNOW that, as a black man.
DevonRex
May 2012
#73
That sounds like something feasible for the RW media to do--divide and conquer.
Jamaal510
May 2012
#74
I'm not concerned about stealth trolls or bigots that read DU and are offended
maddezmom
May 2012
#116
Sometimes we get tired of hearing we have to handle this fight a certain way
justiceischeap
May 2012
#118
Sorry, I thought you asked "Do you think every single member of DU supports gay marriage?"
Morning Dew
May 2012
#162
You do understand that there is more at stake here from a legal perspective, no?
Ruby the Liberal
May 2012
#120
You may very well have a progressive stance based on YOUR religious leanings
justiceischeap
May 2012
#150
Marriage precedes Christianity (by a very long time) and separate but equal never works.
LeftyMom
May 2012
#127
Marriage is not a religious institution. That's why it's culturally universal in one form or another
LeftyMom
May 2012
#142