If Sanders and Warren were telling the truth, they'd argue FOR, not against, the TPA.

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65. They've succeeded in having you and others THINK that that is the way it works!

I guess propaganda works pretty well with some people.

Yes, if you bypass what our founders put in place to prevent bad treaties being written that hurt American citizens, then you'll constantly get bad legislation that screws over most of the people. Our "free trade" deals over the last few decades have shown this to be the case that just about all if not all of these laws that have been passed through "fast track" or other similar means to bypass public scrutiny, have lead us to have our economy and the world economy revisit the conditions that happened before our first depression when the system was also being run poorly by the powerful few, that took a lot of work to get us out of that mess.

If the TPP is sincerely different than all of these other free trade deals that both parties have supported in corrupt fashion, then those involved shouldn't feel bad about having the details made public to get public support for it and solidify themselves in better favor with their constituency of working for them and not against them. Being done in secret does the opposite and increases distrust for those perceived as part of this collusion. Yes, many dictators do things in secret and later when they implement draconian policies, THEN their policies become completely public, but in a way that the people under those dictatorships have no power to have these policies changed. "Transparency" done in that fashion is ABSOLUTELY F'ING USELESS!!!!

The time for transparency is at the time when it is being built and can be changed, so that such policies can be made that serves what the public wants, not what just the powerful wants.

If such agreements can't be built with this kind of process used to build them, then they shouldn't be approved in a democratic system. Americans don't need to know every detail, but they should know the key directions that a trade agreement has as its goals and what it looks to achieve, so that the public can buy off on those goals. Perhaps having it such that we as an American country have our sovereignty protected, and that we have policies that don't make it easier for other countries to export to us rather than us exporting to them, or that we have means to counteract those situations if trade imbalance persists, so that we can put back in place tariffs or other means to correct such flawed policies to restore balance that we once had that kept us from building huge trade deficits, losing jobs, screwing up the environment, etc.