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86. Millions in other nations see these trade agreements as the POS cover to transfer more
Sun May 10, 2015, 08:41 AM
May 2015

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money from the bottom to the top that they are, with no protections for the environment, health, jobs or anything else, because corporations trump all and will be able to (as NAFTA provides the same already) sue any gov't (it's taxpayers) that opposes any corporate decision. Corrupt or very poor gov'ts will have no chance against them, so of course the poorest of the poor will suffer even further. You really haven't read the opposition from around the world to all of this?

TPP Trade Deal Will Be Devastating for Access to Affordable Medicines

By Doctors Without borders

https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/tpp-trade-deal-will-be-devastating-for-access-to-affordable-medicines/


#noTTIP Train to transport 100 UK activists to confront trade negotiations in Brussels

“It’s unheard of to see so many people travelling to Brussels to lobby their MEPs like this, and that’s testament to just how hugely controversial and unpopular TTIP has become. David Cameron waxes lyrical about national sovereignty, but in pushing for this deal he is wilfully handing sovereignty to big business. The deal is not really about trade, it’s about entrenching the position of the one percent. It should be abandoned.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016112824


Scramble to Conclude Suspicious EU-US Trade Deal

UK industry is in intensive care. Should we throw open the door and allow America’s big business battalions to muscle in under cover of a trade treaty?

Critics claim that the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) currently being cooked up between the EU and the United States could:

Weaken workers’ rights and put millions of jobs at risk;
Reduce environmental protection and food safety regulation;
Lead to more privatisation of public services like education and our prized National Health Service (NHS);
Give new powers for corporations to sue European governments, including the UK, in secret courts.
They complain that world leaders are working alongside major corporations at breakneck speed to get this deal sewn up, and refuse to give details.

An especially prickly issue is the imposition of investor-to-state dispute settlement rules (ISDS) enabling foreign investors to sue the host government.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016112581


New levels of TTIP rejection revealed by Commission’s public consultation

Tuesday, 13 January, 2015



The extent of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership’s (TTIP) unpopularity across Europe was exposed today as the European Commission published the results of its largest public consultation in history. The results of the consultation, launched last year, were scheduled to be published in late 2014, but were delayed following an unprecedented number of largely negative responses.

The results of the consultation, which focused on ‘investment protection’ under the controversial trade deal, showed that

of the 149, 399 responses, 97% of participants have voiced either a general rejection of TTIP or opposition to ISDS in TTIP.
the largest number of responses, 52,008 or 34.8% of the total, came from the UK.
Nick Dearden, director of Global Justice Now (formerly World Development Movement) said:

“‘Investment protection’ is an innocuous sounding euphemism for corporations being able to bully governments behind closed doors for billions of pounds of taxpayers’ money, so it’s little wonder that so many people across Europe are opposed to it. This public consultation has demonstrated once more the extent of TTIP’s unpopularity with European citizens."
..........

http://www.globaljustice.org.uk/news/2015/jan/13/new-levels-ttip-rejection-revealed-commission%E2%80%99s-public-consultation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1016&thread=112245

Those are just a few examples ............ there are hundreds.

By George Monbiot

Source: The Guardian
January 15, 2015

If a government proposes to abandon one of the fundamental principles of justice, there had better be a powerful reason. Equality before the law is not ditched lightly. Surely? Well, read this and judge for yourself. The UK government, like that of the US and 13 other EU members, wants to set up a separate judicial system, exclusively for the use of corporations. While the rest of us must take our chances in the courts, corporations across the EU and US will be allowed to sue governments before a tribunal of corporate lawyers. They will be able to challenge the laws they don’t like, and seek massive compensation if these are deemed to affect their “future anticipated profits”.

I’m talking about the proposed Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) and its provisions for “investor-state dispute settlement”. If this sounds incomprehensible, that’s mission accomplished: public understanding is lethal to this attempted corporate coup.

The TTIP is widely described as a trade agreement. But while in the past trade agreements sought to address protectionism, now they seek to address protection. In other words, once they promoted free trade by removing trade taxes (tariffs); now they promote the interests of transnational capital by downgrading the defence of human health, the natural world, labour rights, and the poor and vulnerable from predatory corporate practices.


So keep marching, keep signing, keep joining the campaigns that have come together under the Stop TTIP banner. In an age of ecocide, food banks and financial collapse, do we need more protection from predatory corporate practices, or less? This is a reckless, unjustified destruction of our rights. We can defeat it.


Full article: https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/trade-secrets/

Published on
Wednesday, December 31, 2014
by Common Dreams

byBernie Sanders

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The Trans-Pacific Partnership is a disastrous trade agreement designed to protect the interests of the largest multi-national corporations at the expense of workers, consumers, the environment and the foundations of American democracy. It will also negatively impact some of the poorest people in the world.

The TPP is a treaty that has been written behind closed doors by the corporate world. Incredibly, while Wall Street, the pharmaceutical industry and major media companies have full knowledge as to what is in this treaty, the American people and members of Congress do not. They have been locked out of the process. Further, all Americans, regardless of political ideology, should be opposed to the “fast track” process which would deny Congress the right to amend the treaty and represent their constituents’ interests.

The TPP follows in the footsteps of other unfettered "free trade" agreements like NAFTA, CAFTA and the Permanent Normalized Trade Agreement with China (PNTR). These treaties have forced American workers to compete against desperate and low-wage labor around the world. The result has been massive job losses in the United States and the shutting down of tens of thousands of factories. These corporately backed trade agreements have significantly contributed to the race to the bottom, the collapse of the American middle class and increased wealth and income inequality. The TPP is more of the same, but even worse.

During my 23 years in Congress, I helped lead the fight against NAFTA and PNTR with China. During the coming session of Congress, I will be working with organized labor, environmentalists, religious organizations, Democrats, and Republicans against the secretive TPP trade deal.


Full article: http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/12/31/ten-reasons-why-tpp-must-be-defeated


History Handbook: The Passion for Free Markets

By Noam Chomsky

April 25, 2015

The “American passion for free trade” entails that the U.S. government may violate trade agreements at will. No problem arises when communications, finance, and food supplies are taken over by foreign (mainly U.S.) corporations. Matters are different, however, when trade agreements and international law interfere with the projects of the powerful. Similar troublemaking beyond the hemisphere has also been no slight problem, and continues to spread “dangerous” ideas among people who “are demanding a decent living.


https://zcomm.org/zmagazine/history-handbook-the-passion-for-free-markets/

NAFTA's Chapter 11 Makes Canada Most-Sued Country Under Free Trade Tribunals

Canada is the most-sued country under the North American Free Trade Agreement and a majority of the disputes involve investors challenging the country’s environmental laws, according to a new study.

The study from the left-leaning Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives (CCPA) found that more than 70 per cent of claims since 2005 have been brought against Canada, and the number of challenges under a controversial settlement clause is rising sharply.


snip~

“Thanks to NAFTA chapter 11, Canada has now been sued more times through investor-state dispute settlement than any other developed country in the world,” said Scott Sinclair, who authored the study.


snip~

There are currently eight cases against the Canadian government asking for a total of $6 billion in damages. All of them were brought by U.S. companies.


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/01/14/canada-sued-investor-state-dispute-ccpa_n_6471460.html


The study notes that although NAFTA proponents claimed that ISDS was needed to address concerns about corruption in the Mexican court system, most investor-state challenges involve public policy and regulatory matters. Sixty three per cent of claims against Canada involve challenges to environmental protection or resource management measures.

Currently, Canada faces nine active ISDS claims challenging a wide range of government measures that allegedly interfere with the expected profitability of foreign investments. Foreign investors are seeking over $6 billion in damages from the Canadian government.

These include challenges to a ban on fracking by the Quebec provincial government (Lone Pine); a decision by a Canadian federal court to invalidate a pharmaceutical patent on the basis that it was not sufficiently innovative or useful (Eli Lilly); provisions to promote the rapid adoption of renewable energies (Mesa); a moratorium on offshore wind projects in Lake Ontario (Windstream); and the decision to block a controversial mega-quarry in Nova Scotia (Clayton/Bilcon).

Canada has already lost or settled six claims, paid out damages totaling over $170 million and incurred tens of millions more in legal costs. Mexico has lost five cases and paid damages of US$204 million. The U.S. has never lost a NAFTA investor-state case.


More: https://www.policyalternatives.ca/newsroom/news-releases/nafta-investor-state-claims-against-canada-are-out-control-study

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Reduced to trolling for Obama's bad decisiont to support Wall Streets and Multi-national Larkspur May 2015 #1
He can't release it because it doesn't yet exist. ucrdem May 2015 #3
You say the TPP doesn't exist until the President gets fast track authority? delrem May 2015 #7
The negotiating docs exist, but there's no final draft. ucrdem May 2015 #9
Well duh, of course it isn't signed into law yet! delrem May 2015 #11
Sgning it into law happens after the signatories sign off on a final draft. ucrdem May 2015 #14
I see, the signatories sign off on the deal, THEN some "approval process begins". delrem May 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #27
! Hiraeth May 2015 #159
LOL! BrotherIvan May 2015 #168
there have been over 20 negotiating rounds cali May 2015 #50
They're happy with the current 'unfinished' version..... daleanime May 2015 #58
What the signatories want is a dealbreaker. Chan790 May 2015 #103
It is amazing that any international agreements ever got passed before they could be SECRET. Vincardog May 2015 #203
Umm... when in history have they not been secret during negotiations? Recursion May 2015 #231
We are no longer "during negotiations" the president is asking authority for it to be voted on up or Vincardog May 2015 #235
Yes, we are, though the ministers say they're nearly done Recursion May 2015 #242
Post removed Post removed May 2015 #243
It's close enough to finished to show is what's in it. IF Onama wanted Exilednight May 2015 #81
No one follows pretzel logic thinking like that. cui bono May 2015 #160
It's making my head hurt! BrotherIvan May 2015 #169
I'm ready to take a hide and call this OP what it is... cui bono May 2015 #172
I think people see it exactly for what it is BrotherIvan May 2015 #178
That's why the OP had to rec his own thread to get it up to 5 recs. cui bono May 2015 #181
ooh ouch BrotherIvan May 2015 #188
Don't feed it energy. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #201
Trolling? Making a solid point is NOT trolling. Buzz Clik May 2015 #69
Oh, the OP made a solid, but it was not a solid point. cui bono May 2015 #161
potty humor Buzz Clik May 2015 #171
Better than potty posts cui bono May 2015 #175
No shit. Buzz Clik May 2015 #184
potty mouth cui bono May 2015 #185
Because people are tired of seeing their real-world jobs ibegurpard May 2015 #2
I've been educated on textbook economic theories JonLP24 May 2015 #5
Same and I agree. nt laundry_queen May 2015 #251
"... the idea that international trade tribunals can actually overrule our own laws and regulations. pampango May 2015 #67
It is what liberals do best: fear the unknown. Buzz Clik May 2015 #70
Which is why they want things to become known. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #87
Your metaphor is wrong. Buzz Clik May 2015 #89
Your metaphor is fine by me too. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #101
The only way to examine the TPP is to accept fast-tracking the agreement. No other options. Buzz Clik May 2015 #116
Then we must reject fast tracking. We don't buy pigs in pokes. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #129
"We don't buy pigs in pokes." Pure fallacy. Buzz Clik May 2015 #130
Accept fast-tracking, and we can't demand we get a bag with a pig in it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #134
Ok, but it will take the same type of vote to reject fast tracking. Buzz Clik May 2015 #138
If the agreement is bad for American workers the Republicans will save us is your argument? TheKentuckian May 2015 #140
And then it can still be voted down! Fast track doesn't equal approval. They can stop it. freshwest May 2015 #228
Bullshit, can you count to 51 or 216? How are we supposed to stop it? TheKentuckian May 2015 #241
Good. Reject both. cui bono May 2015 #183
Well, this board is liberal. If you don't like liberals, consider other destinations. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #98
Poor baby. Doesn't like being challenged. So here's my question: Buzz Clik May 2015 #99
Because I'm a liberal and I've been here since 2001, watching pinheads come and go. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #105
Sorry, but you don't get to decide who fits on this board and who doesn't. Buzz Clik May 2015 #114
Well this LIBERAL Bobbie Jo May 2015 #162
There are those who are trying to narrow the spectrum of "liberal" Buzz Clik May 2015 #173
And others who are trying to widen it to include centrists. cui bono May 2015 #177
They're definition of liberal is anything Obama does neverforget May 2015 #186
"Centrists" "Third Way" Neo-Liberals" Buzz Clik May 2015 #187
If the shoe fits LondonReign2 May 2015 #189
Why do you think that is done to alienate? It isn't. It is simply a political description of cui bono May 2015 #192
It doesn't faze me in the slightest; however, those terms are used as insults: Buzz Clik May 2015 #193
Yes, people try to use them as insults, just as people try to use liberal as an insult. cui bono May 2015 #195
Yeah, I'm not a supporter of TPP BainsBane May 2015 #174
Indeed. And who said such a dastardly thing? DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #205
Since you asked BainsBane May 2015 #209
"consider other destinations". It's good advice for those who don't care for liberals. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #216
You are not a liberal. cui bono May 2015 #176
Another arrogant post Bobbie Jo May 2015 #197
So what stances do you take that are liberal? From what I've seen you agree with Obama on everything cui bono May 2015 #198
You don't know me. Bobbie Jo May 2015 #199
Why so combative? I'm not holier than thou, unless you yourself believe I am. I certainly do not. cui bono May 2015 #200
Enough Bobbie Jo May 2015 #208
Fine. I'll keep my assessment of you as is then, based on the posts I've read by you. cui bono May 2015 #213
Who cares? Bobbie Jo May 2015 #214
You seemed to care enough to declare yourself a LIBERAL. Why do you want that so badly? cui bono May 2015 #215
Same as I told your partner... Bobbie Jo May 2015 #218
How do you know my partner? How do you know whether or not I even have a partner? cui bono May 2015 #221
Yeah, here's the thing... Bobbie Jo May 2015 #224
Oh the irony... cui bono May 2015 #225
Do all-caps LIBERALS also fear the unknown? DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #204
Who are you trying to impress? Bobbie Jo May 2015 #210
What do you suppose I'd hope to accomplish by trying to impress you? DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #217
Didn't read, don't care Bobbie Jo May 2015 #219
Didn't read, don't care. I'll bet you're a hoot at the book club. nt DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #220
In what feel-sorry-for-yourself fantasy did I request to have you banned? DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #202
This message was self-deleted by its author DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #246
Buzz? Mr Click? Is everything ok? DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #247
Never said it. Buzz Clik May 2015 #248
You left the subject out: "You never said it"--is that what you meant to type? If so thank you. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #249
It was a hypothetical spawned by your exclusionary attitude Buzz Clik May 2015 #250
If by hypothetical you mean "vicious lie I tried to push as truth", then I accept your apology again DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #260
Now you've morphed from melodramatic to hysterical Buzz Clik May 2015 #262
You just admitted telling lies about me. I won't be taking correction from someone of your caliber. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #263
Oh my god. You've taken the hysteria to a new level. Buzz Clik May 2015 #264
"I'm sure they'd be interested in your request to have me banned"--Buzz Click DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #265
Yes, indeed. You have now joined the ranks of unapologetic bullshitters. Buzz Clik May 2015 #266
Slamming liberals on DU? think May 2015 #106
It's not a slam -- it's an observation. Buzz Clik May 2015 #121
The majority of Dem politicians oppose Fast Tracking the TPP. It's the GOP that SUPPORTS it. think May 2015 #149
Majority? JayNev May 2015 #230
Buzz Clik Diclotican May 2015 #131
Ok. Both groups are afraid of the unknown. Buzz Clik May 2015 #135
Buzz Clik Diclotican May 2015 #147
There's one thing "liberals" do even better... pretend to know what liberals do best. LanternWaste May 2015 #240
I can document this endlessly. Care to play? Buzz Clik May 2015 #245
faulty conclusion - the parties don't HAVE TO give up on the bill without a TPA, that's just msongs May 2015 #4
Technically perhaps, but practically speaking, it's necessary for two reasons: ucrdem May 2015 #6
Are the other nations passing Fast Track laws? BainsBane May 2015 #40
Millions in other nations see these trade agreements as the POS cover to transfer more polly7 May 2015 #86
The other countries are mostly Westminster systems that don't need them Recursion May 2015 #244
Oh, come on, you know those Brookings folks are just a bunch of well educated elites. Hoyt May 2015 #78
IMO objection to TPA is about right to amend the agreement HereSince1628 May 2015 #102
You've hit the mark... Chan790 May 2015 #108
Wrong. Buzz Clik May 2015 #125
Some amendments might be nuisances, others might be significant and desireable. HereSince1628 May 2015 #144
The public has never been consulted on this trade deal. delrem May 2015 #8
The outline and progress of the current agreement have been available to the public since 2011: ucrdem May 2015 #12
You said the doc doesn't exist but LateKnight85 May 2015 #38
Spot on. cui bono May 2015 #212
Pretzel logic there. You say if no TPA no trade deal. morningfog May 2015 #10
Call it a Catch-22 that certain politicians have exploited to their advantage. ucrdem May 2015 #13
They've succeeded in having you and others THINK that that is the way it works! cascadiance May 2015 #65
If no TPP without TPA...then NO TPP!! n/t Chan790 May 2015 #110
The TPA is needed to get the TPP period. morningfog May 2015 #155
No. That is NOT the way it works. If it were nothing would have gotten done without it. cui bono May 2015 #167
It's a tight knot. delrem May 2015 #17
Congress was consulted repeatedly ucrdem May 2015 #22
Then some peeps should just stfu about Warren and Bernie etc. doing just that! delrem May 2015 #24
USTR Froman: ‘We Have Had Over 1,200 Meetings With Congress On TPP’ ucrdem May 2015 #25
Is that why the transcript are available? delrem May 2015 #32
funny,over a hundred dems say, essentially, that cali May 2015 #52
even pissed off about it! cui bono May 2015 #196
This message was self-deleted by its author newfie11 May 2015 #57
A bad deal affect us for ill way more than the millionare Congress so the shit would be on US TheKentuckian May 2015 #146
This is just stupid MFrohike May 2015 #15
Because the chief reason Sanders and Warren offer for opposing it is its secrecy, ucrdem May 2015 #18
Wow MFrohike May 2015 #35
precisely ibegurpard May 2015 #19
+1 cali May 2015 #53
SOP for this OP LondonReign2 May 2015 #191
LOL PSPS May 2015 #16
Okay I get it, but instead of acting as honest brokers ucrdem May 2015 #20
So... How's this thread workin' out for you, ucrdem? Scootaloo May 2015 #23
It's getting the facts out, for example ... ucrdem May 2015 #26
I kinda like the escheresque logic of it. delrem May 2015 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #36
Do you have something to say about the OP or just treestar May 2015 #96
The latter. I have learned it's a waste of time to engage True Believers™ Scootaloo May 2015 #165
I guess this is a better argument than the xenophobic/isolationist one. neverforget May 2015 #29
Perhaps but I'm not arguing. I'm setting the record straight so that it CAN be argued. nt ucrdem May 2015 #30
Such nobility and sincerity while labeling those opposed as xenophobes. neverforget May 2015 #33
YOU'RE setting the record straight? cui bono May 2015 #222
Why are you so proud to be standing with Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein? n/t eridani May 2015 #31
Personally I'd just like to see the finished bill. If it's bad we'll know it ucrdem May 2015 #34
Jamie and Lloyd can see it. Why can't you and I? n/t eridani May 2015 #49
"If" it is bad we have no way to prevent the TeaPubliKlans and Obama from passing it...none. TheKentuckian May 2015 #139
*cough* bullshit AtomicKitten May 2015 #37
bullshit of the worst kind. let's parse cali May 2015 #39
Thanks for that explanation. BainsBane May 2015 #42
#1: Wrong. He's playing the secrecy Wurlitzer for all to hear: ucrdem May 2015 #43
fail. I didn't say that he had never objected cali May 2015 #47
Do you honestly think the bill will not be passed Llanganati May 2015 #41
Welcome to DU BainsBane May 2015 #44
Yes, TPA is needed or the treaty dies on the vine. ucrdem May 2015 #45
I have not disputed that Llanganati May 2015 #46
Right, I misread it. I added an ETA with my best guess which is that if there's still a hue and cry ucrdem May 2015 #48
We'll see, clearly Llanganati May 2015 #51
Why would he be pressing so hard for something he won't sign BainsBane May 2015 #54
He is the one pushing it! Your logic is crap on this. If Congressional Republicans and Obama want a TheKentuckian May 2015 #145
AKA: Feudalism, v 2.0 - nt KingCharlemagne May 2015 #157
Jesus Hopped-Up Baldheaded CHRIST... AzDar May 2015 #55
Its 1993 all over again. Some of us never learn. Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #56
I know. I keep banging my head against a wall, too. Over and over again, the same screwing Nay May 2015 #153
Is today April 1? marmar May 2015 #59
Wow...some of the worst propaganda yet. Katashi_itto May 2015 #60
Goofiest post of the morning. hobbit709 May 2015 #61
if by goofy you mean cali May 2015 #62
I was trying to be polite hobbit709 May 2015 #63
I miss the unrec button. Scuba May 2015 #64
600 corporate lobbyists appreciate your efforts. The unions think May 2015 #66
Excellent point. One I have been making for weeks Buzz Clik May 2015 #68
Thanks, and if ever there was an object lesson in confirmation bias ucrdem May 2015 #93
When Barack Obama finds himself in coalition with the GOP against his own party... Chan790 May 2015 #115
Trade treaties are a hallmark of liberalism. We claim to be liberals ucrdem May 2015 #118
I've been anti FTA for decades...the rest of liberalism is catching up to me. :) Chan790 May 2015 #152
How is a statement like 'Warren and Sanders lie" not a violation of DU's ToS? - nt KingCharlemagne May 2015 #158
Okay, so the way I understand it: Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #71
well.. no. You are correct re passage of the tpa cali May 2015 #74
Thanks. I think I've got it now (not that my understanding will change the outcome). Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #75
thanks. I never imagined I'd become so fascinated with cali May 2015 #76
Nobody with 2 brain cells... sendero May 2015 #72
That's just loco. Autumn May 2015 #73
Very nice way to put it marym625 May 2015 #223
I love the smell of neoliberal desperation in the morning. n/t 99Forever May 2015 #77
The negotiating framework is fatally flawed - take it or leave it, secret till complete. Scrap that leveymg May 2015 #79
Wrong. In addition to small and large corporations who trade internationally, these are some of the Hoyt May 2015 #80
No environmental groups; I don't see any of these unions advocating strongly for TPP. leveymg May 2015 #83
Do you know how to search for information? Hoyt May 2015 #90
Don't be a condescending advocate. Didn't they teach you that? leveymg May 2015 #91
Apparently there's a small army of environmental groups involved in the process: ucrdem May 2015 #113
Again, that's a small army of industry trade groups and astroturf "environmental" groups leveymg May 2015 #151
Your argument seems to be 'If they were honest, they'd call for a fait accompli'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #82
Boo hoo, Multi-national Corporations have a sad. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #84
Seems like I heard this before MichMan May 2015 #85
OP is desperate double-talk. GoneFishin May 2015 #88
The sad fact is that politicians lie, even the ones you like. ucrdem May 2015 #92
Obama's argument for TPA is let me sign the treaty, lock it in so it's assured passage bigtree May 2015 #94
He would sign it only after we've had at least 60 days to review it and Congress endorses it. ucrdem May 2015 #97
The bill would make any final trade agreement open to public comment for 60 days bigtree May 2015 #107
Thanks, that's good info. The "switches" are what I meant by safeguards. nt ucrdem May 2015 #111
the 'switches' are cosmetic bull bigtree May 2015 #126
I see. nt ucrdem May 2015 #127
I think they both see it as an issue to use treestar May 2015 #95
The internet food-fight is getting some ink . . . ucrdem May 2015 #104
Um...this one is obvious. Chan790 May 2015 #100
LOL, I assumed this was from the Onion, what a totally silly post. nt Logical May 2015 #109
Might be the lamest post of the year whatchamacallit May 2015 #112
I simply don't understand why some around here want TPA to pass. stillwaiting May 2015 #117
I don't see where the objection to regulating international trade arises. ucrdem May 2015 #123
OMG. Way too heavy handed. Boo! Fucking BOO! Try again. nt stillwaiting May 2015 #137
We don't have the votes to stop a bad agreement if FastTrack is approved TheKentuckian May 2015 #119
Ever notice how the people here at DU who say the TPP isn't so bad Marr May 2015 #120
Oh most definitely ibegurpard May 2015 #122
But you object to making the argument about personalities. Got it. ucrdem May 2015 #124
Your OP was asinine and so poorly done, the deceit was hard to miss. Marr May 2015 #128
Well so? treestar May 2015 #133
It is interesting how Obama supporters ibegurpard May 2015 #136
I imagine they don't agree with you on that treestar May 2015 #141
I would imagine you are correct ibegurpard May 2015 #142
No, pro-corporate is not just a label. Just as liberal is not just a label. cui bono May 2015 #166
There's a word for third-way pro-corporate Democrats. SwankyXomb May 2015 #154
this. n/t PowerToThePeople May 2015 #156
And some of them are here on DU pushing the corporate/republican trade agenda. (nm) Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #190
trust him and everything will be fine neverforget May 2015 #150
Yes. Because Obama. cui bono May 2015 #164
you're joking, right? magical thyme May 2015 #132
Take somewhere else we know better here upaloopa May 2015 #143
You can't add amendments to fast track WhiteTara May 2015 #148
+1 cui bono May 2015 #179
yes you can. you absolutely can. You can't add amendments to the tpp if the tpa passes cali May 2015 #211
I took the post to mean no amendments to the TPP if fast track is passed. cui bono May 2015 #226
BWAHAHAHA... Had to rec your own thread to get it on the 'greatest' page. cui bono May 2015 #163
Sanders and Warren DON'T WANT THE TPP. End of your argument right there. cui bono May 2015 #170
In this thread, I've learned that Sanders and Warren are liars (hat tip to the OP) DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #207
No not a weird thread, it's a crazy loco thread. Autumn May 2015 #256
It is surely a shame that some DU'ers, when faced with the fact that the Truth hurts them, truedelphi May 2015 #180
And btw... what exactly are the lies Sanders and Warren are telling? cui bono May 2015 #182
The Chamber of Commerces and the Republicans are Wild about it? What's not to trust for libdem4life May 2015 #194
lame.... mike_c May 2015 #206
Ugh DJ13 May 2015 #227
OP needs a reality check JayNev May 2015 #229
Is this the thread that inspired the latest round of: OMG PAId SHILLS1!one!1 PAID SHILLLS11!! Number23 May 2015 #232
If DU is a "little slice of Libertarian hell", why are you still here? neverforget May 2015 #233
For the lolz. Purely for the lolz Number23 May 2015 #238
LOL, probably. ucrdem May 2015 #234
This is right up there with "populism means trickle down!" as one of the dumbest threads ever. nt Romulox May 2015 #236
Dumbest, possibly... alternatively... JayNev May 2015 #237
The tortured and twisted rationalizations of primary seasons begins now... LanternWaste May 2015 #239
Nothing tortured about it, and yes, I really do wonder why. ucrdem May 2015 #252
Public Access AFTER the slides have already been greased by passing Fast Track for the next 6 years Faryn Balyncd May 2015 #253
Arguing the merits is fine, but that isn't what I'm objecting to. ucrdem May 2015 #254
So making briefings classified, so that details cannot be analyzed by independent trade experts Faryn Balyncd May 2015 #255
"they have complete access to the negotiating docs" - Funny! JayNev May 2015 #258
It's President Obama, alas, who is lying. cali May 2015 #259
Cali, your post is thoughtful, well argued and important. Thank you! JayNev May 2015 #261
Two reasons. NCTraveler May 2015 #257
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