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"Our demands for it should be aware of, and tailored to those reasons." - With Fast Track, the djean111 May 2015 #1
Agreed. True Blue Door May 2015 #2
The only thing I know abou the TPP that has been released to the public Exilednight May 2015 #3
That promise has been delivered. True Blue Door May 2015 #6
There is no reason to keep a trade agreement secret, this isn't Exilednight May 2015 #12
There is no trade agreement. There are negotiations on a trade agreement. True Blue Door May 2015 #14
If the trade agreement doesn't exist, then there is nothing to Exilednight May 2015 #19
Indeed, there is nothing to vote on until something is submitted. True Blue Door May 2015 #38
I know what TPA is. It's used to squelch or limit debate Exilednight May 2015 #79
When the final negotiations take place and a deal is agreed to, it will be submitted to okaawhatever May 2015 #63
Well - Similar Things Were Said About NAFTA - We Saw What That Spawned cantbeserious May 2015 #4
Nothing of the sort was said about NAFTA. True Blue Door May 2015 #8
And Can One Believe Platitudes Over History - If So - That Is The Definition Of Gullibility cantbeserious May 2015 #9
Facts are not "platitudes." They ARE history. True Blue Door May 2015 #16
Actually, there were striking similarities. cali May 2015 #11
So instead of actually making an argument, you just assert that you have one. True Blue Door May 2015 #18
I just informed you that the evidence exists that the arguments were similar in many cali May 2015 #20
Usually Public Citizen does better work than that. True Blue Door May 2015 #26
What Happened To This Obama - Promoted The Scrapping Of NAFTA cantbeserious May 2015 #40
Who says that's not still his agenda via TPP? True Blue Door May 2015 #41
Non Sensical - TPP Is For Pacific Rim - NAFTA Was For Canada And Mexico cantbeserious May 2015 #42
I mean the agenda of serving the working people of this country. True Blue Door May 2015 #43
Obama - Like HRC - Serves The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - Based On His Support Of TPP cantbeserious May 2015 #44
A reckless, arrogant smear 180 degrees off of reality. True Blue Door May 2015 #45
Your Opinion Only - Others Would Disagree cantbeserious May 2015 #46
Of course it's my opinion. Who else's opinion would I be advocating? True Blue Door May 2015 #47
Are Some Now Advocating That Emotion Is Not A Valid Human Trait cantbeserious May 2015 #48
It's not a valid basis for drawing conclusions about a Presidency. True Blue Door May 2015 #49
The Emotional Upheaval And Main Street Impact Of NAFTA Can Be See On Many Streets In The US cantbeserious May 2015 #52
Where is the evidence that NAFTA caused those job losses? True Blue Door May 2015 #55
Now One Now Has To Question Your Reason - Studies Galore About The Impact Of NAFTA cantbeserious May 2015 #58
So you're refusing to justify your position with evidence? Fine by me. True Blue Door May 2015 #60
No - I am Not Willing To Do Your Homework For You - There Is A Difference cantbeserious May 2015 #61
Proving your claims is not MY homework. True Blue Door May 2015 #66
Proving Your Claims Is Not My Homework Either cantbeserious May 2015 #67
Since my claim is that you're not proving yours...guess what? True Blue Door May 2015 #71
Since My Claim Is That You Have Unsupported Claims - Guess What cantbeserious May 2015 #73
So this is your plan - parroting me? True Blue Door May 2015 #75
You Are The One With An Agenda cantbeserious May 2015 #76
Who's doing the negotiating? HooptieWagon May 2015 #102
You can argue for it, but you fail to persuade me Exilednight May 2015 #81
I disagree. China's growing power is not some fundamental law of the universe. True Blue Door May 2015 #82
It does have a specific cause, and solution, but a trade agreement will not stop it. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #84
However, it can be a beginning toward a solution. Can be. True Blue Door May 2015 #86
Superpower ambitions? They're already there. Good luck Exilednight May 2015 #88
Having the most money does not make one a superpower. They're not even close. True Blue Door May 2015 #92
If you don't believe they're a super power, then you live in Exilednight May 2015 #99
Oversimplification treestar May 2015 #34
That You Believe Differently Is Your Opinion - Others Would Disagree cantbeserious May 2015 #54
ooh, I'll play. Let's parse: cali May 2015 #5
In other words, we're falling behind China in trade with SE Asia. True Blue Door May 2015 #13
China has a population of nearly one and a half billion people. It is cali May 2015 #17
Your sense of fatalism about Chinese power is very strange. True Blue Door May 2015 #21
a knowledge of history is helpful cali May 2015 #23
Fair enough. I'll look more deeply. True Blue Door May 2015 #28
but is the choice actually only between standing still cali May 2015 #33
Our entire economy is too influenced by corporate interests. True Blue Door May 2015 #37
Here, let me fuck you before China fucks you? That's really what it boils down to? X_Digger May 2015 #72
No, not even close. Your Universal Translator needs some calibrating. True Blue Door May 2015 #74
Some may think it protects our jobs here. edgineered May 2015 #7
I'm not clear on what you mean. True Blue Door May 2015 #22
No problem, most of the time I don't say things right the first time. edgineered May 2015 #24
Too detailed a question for my pay grade. True Blue Door May 2015 #29
Ha - good answer! edgineered May 2015 #31
I think these are reasonable arguments although I am sure many will dispute them. DCBob May 2015 #10
Thanks. I don't know what to feel about it, but I can see it's not as simple as some claim. True Blue Door May 2015 #15
I tend to look at things from a more global perspective. DCBob May 2015 #25
Indeed, my trust in Barack Obama's motives and values is 100%. True Blue Door May 2015 #30
Good way to put it. DCBob May 2015 #32
ah, now I better understand. cali May 2015 #56
Hmm, too abstruse for my limited attention span. True Blue Door May 2015 #59
actually, it's quite a good read. cali May 2015 #64
My definition of "progressive" is someone committed to making progress. True Blue Door May 2015 #70
One of my biggest issues with TPP is from the viewpoint of the smaller less powerful nations. What jwirr May 2015 #50
Globalization has helped many in developing nations out of poverty. DCBob May 2015 #85
So less than a $1 an hour will lift someone out of poverty? I doubt it. And also why do we have all jwirr May 2015 #89
Many are much better off than that. DCBob May 2015 #90
Of course there are a few who rise. But is it a real reform for the people? By the way, our jobs are jwirr May 2015 #93
It's more than a few.. DCBob May 2015 #94
I was just trying to show that more power to the powerful was not going to be good for any of us. jwirr May 2015 #97
If what this is really about, is limiting the influence of China, RDANGELO May 2015 #27
It's one possible aspect, but that doesn't mean it's the only one. True Blue Door May 2015 #35
FDR's trade deals were about trade. From everything we have so far seen about TPP this is not jwirr May 2015 #51
Can you elaborate the distinction between trade and international corporate profit? True Blue Door May 2015 #53
Trade = export of US products. International corporations = import of foreign made products to the jwirr May 2015 #57
Then we agree on definitions. My problem with FTAs as currently configured True Blue Door May 2015 #68
I hear what you are saying - don't know if it would work. Emmanual Todd in his book "After the jwirr May 2015 #69
Japan is a high wage, high population, high consumer partner, dwarfing the other nations economies, good to remember that. Fred Sanders May 2015 #36
Indeed, and China was apparently quite irked when Japan signed on to TPP. True Blue Door May 2015 #39
The Chinese being irked puts what into my pockets and presents me with what opportunities? TheKentuckian May 2015 #62
These are very good points. True Blue Door May 2015 #65
I'm concerned with both. You get the domestic issues that you claim will fix trade problems and TheKentuckian May 2015 #103
Um, no AgingAmerican May 2015 #77
Umm, yes. True Blue Door May 2015 #78
Hilarious! AgingAmerican May 2015 #100
It's really, really good for us. Trust the president. Katashi_itto May 2015 #80
I do trust him, I just don't know if I agree with him on this. True Blue Door May 2015 #83
Give the track record of agreements and the nature of the opposition Katashi_itto May 2015 #87
A lot of it is knee jerk. That particular concern, however, sounds very credible. True Blue Door May 2015 #91
Let me rephrase. It doesnt matter if it's knee jerk. Katashi_itto May 2015 #95
I'm not convinced that trade agreements are what hollowed out our middle-class. True Blue Door May 2015 #96
Whatever. People have been sending links above, posting valid arguments and you simply ignore them. Katashi_itto May 2015 #98
My views. JDPriestly May 2015 #101
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