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jeff47

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127. You seem to have mistaken me with someone who likes the TPP.

Sun May 10, 2015, 05:02 PM

May 2015

The TPP is garbage. It should be incinerated, the ashes buried, and the earth salted so nothing ever grows there again.

He hasn't just sold everyone down the river so far, despite all the pressure to do so. (ex. Chained CPI without that extra spending). And that radical of a change in personality is very unlikely.

If Obama thinks he's engineering a "compromise" like chained CPI in return for more safety net spending, he's shown he'll go for it.

If he mistakenly thinks the TPP is such a "compromise", that would explain the effort he is putting into it. It's still an awful treaty.

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Wrong Place, Wrong Time: Some Very Bad Politics From The White House [View all] n2doc May 2015 OP

Wait, he went to Nike and really said that? Scootaloo May 2015 #1

On NPR this morning they said he "blasted liberals for being wrong on TPP". nt daredtowork May 2015 #56

There are supposedly clauses in the treaty that would require more progressive working winter is coming May 2015 #57

That's because the majority of Americans don't Exilednight May 2015 #73

How changing a couple items.. tecelote May 2015 #81

Great article, and I agree completely with what's said here. CaliforniaPeggy May 2015 #2

Madame secretary helped write the TPP, fer chrissakes. malthaussen May 2015 #4

You are spot on, my dear malthaussen! Thank you. CaliforniaPeggy May 2015 #7

Love that reference to Hotel George V - I doubt you'll find Bernie there. erronis May 2015 #17

Well, he could hobnob with the bellhops and the concierge... malthaussen May 2015 #19

Do you know this for an absolute fact? lark May 2015 #33

There have been many posts in DU about it. malthaussen May 2015 #36

A one liner with no followup or explanation isn't credible proof lark May 2015 #37

The fact that she isn't loudly and adamantly against it is very disappointing. Scuba May 2015 #46

I totally agree lark May 2015 #134

Your logic works both ways of course. We have seen zero, nil, nada, that she doesn't favor it. rhett o rick May 2015 #122

"as Secretary of State" MaggieD May 2015 #54

Who is "our"? Yours? Mine? Nike? How much do you want to bet Exilednight May 2015 #75

Whatchu mean "our" interests, Kemosabe? eridani May 2015 #80

Oh my bad MaggieD May 2015 #84

Bs.. Anyone who tells you trade is free is selling something! green917 May 2015 #110

It doesn't matter fuckall what China does, as it will not be a signatory eridani May 2015 #133

She didn't MaggieD May 2015 #53

plus it was a draft... and it was five years ago OKNancy May 2015 #85

What did she write in it? MaggieD May 2015 #51

My guess is the labor and environmental regulations in the TPP. jeff47 May 2015 #22

Well, the leaked drafts contradict your guess. Scuba May 2015 #47

The leaked drafts aren't complete, and do not include the chapters I was talking about. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #49

So your speculation is based on your "feelings" alone, delrem May 2015 #72

There's no facts to base it on. jeff47 May 2015 #106

I think there is a logic problem presented here. Some will argue that if you can't provide 100% rhett o rick May 2015 #123

You seem to have mistaken me with someone who likes the TPP. jeff47 May 2015 #127

I must have misunderstood your post #22. Was it sarcasm? nm rhett o rick May 2015 #128

Nope, just a guess based on armchair psychology. jeff47 May 2015 #129

I think I hear you saying is that Pres Clinton meant well but made a mistake in signing NAFTA. rhett o rick May 2015 #130

Which workers is key. jeff47 May 2015 #131

Some "liberals" may think that the rest of the world's workers should be rhett o rick May 2015 #132

sorry, there is NO evidence to support that guess. In fact, late round drafts cali May 2015 #82

That's why it's a "guess". jeff47 May 2015 #105

"Guess" again. /nt Marr May 2015 #117

That guess doen't make the slightest sense. If labor and environmental conditions improve rhett o rick May 2015 #124

Theoretically, being part of such a trade agreement gives them reasons to stay. jeff47 May 2015 #126

My feeling is that he has been in the bubble for too long n2doc May 2015 #27

I suspect you're right. He really believes this BS. n/t CaliforniaPeggy May 2015 #28

No f*ing way lark May 2015 #34

Of course he knows. He's not stupid. 840high May 2015 #62

Yup. Not even Sarah Palin is so ignorant as to not know who her politics benefits. delrem May 2015 #74

Bingo. F4lconF16 May 2015 #86

Possibly, but support for the TPP is in line with his self-admitted Republicanism. malthaussen May 2015 #42

World leader vs. national leader; conflicting feelings carolinayellowdog May 2015 #61

I agree. LuvNewcastle May 2015 #64

World Leader, but where is he leading us? n2doc May 2015 #121

He never would've been invited into the bubble if he wasn't already amenable to this sort of thing. Marr May 2015 #118

Now we know for sure. Enthusiast May 2015 #79

Why has he sold us out or trying to???? Hotler May 2015 #96

I wonder how much champagne was snorted through noses after that. malthaussen May 2015 #3

it's not grasswire May 2015 #35

K&R. Excellent article. (nm) Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #5

Fantastic vintage Charlie. cali May 2015 #6

Retail jobs 1939 May 2015 #26

Exactly. At $8.50/hr with no benefits. Like Macy's. WorseBeforeBetter May 2015 #67

Yah, well those workers will be replaced by machines in no time. delrem May 2015 #76

I don't trust the President. Enthusiast May 2015 #8

And I doubt that the man, and those who are behind him, truedelphi May 2015 #10

Had to vote for him twice Thespian2 May 2015 #21

You didn't, though. F4lconF16 May 2015 #88

I know. Thespian2 May 2015 #111

I think many of us will. F4lconF16 May 2015 #115

No Thespian2 May 2015 #116

In retail, this is what's known as......... wolfie001 May 2015 #9

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ n/t truedelphi May 2015 #13

They'll blame it on lack of education... like our inability to learn how to work for $2/day or less. whereisjustice May 2015 #29

TPP contains implicit job retraining mechanisms, to help workers without that job skill to GoneFishin May 2015 #43

I saw the micro version of what's been going on years ago at the Budweiser distributor I worked for. brewens May 2015 #11

I think that is a real snapshot of what is happening everywhere arikara May 2015 #30

Thank you for that capsule of history -- I recently retired and saw, over a period of Nay May 2015 #100

But if Vietnam raises the minimum wage for its workers, Maedhros May 2015 #12

No, that's B.S. I'd spend some time explaining it to you, but I don't think it would make a okaawhatever May 2015 #15

Do it anyway. sulphurdunn May 2015 #52

Take a stab at it. WorseBeforeBetter May 2015 #70

Better yet, let's get Maedhros to prove their claim. They can't & that way I won't have to waste okaawhatever May 2015 #120

But if you support Obama and the TPP... WorseBeforeBetter May 2015 #125

Explain it. /nt Marr May 2015 #119

No, that's backwards. AFL-CIO can sue if they lower it again (nt). Recursion May 2015 #77

When it comes to the TPP, the truth is that hifiguy May 2015 #14

I heard the beggining of the speech on the radio rufus dog May 2015 #16

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT May 2015 #18

The CEO of Nike makes 15 million plus raindaddy May 2015 #20

Funny thing, that. It's not becoming corrupt, it always has been. F4lconF16 May 2015 #89

Really Good Points! raindaddy May 2015 #98

True enough. F4lconF16 May 2015 #102

The worst lie he is spreading is sadoldgirl May 2015 #23

Geopolitics jakeXT May 2015 #41

Typical calm and some mild scolding recently. So far the released info. and concerns by appalachiablue May 2015 #69

The only legacy he cares... sendero May 2015 #99

The Bill Clinton Platinum Retirement Plan. moondust May 2015 #109

Even IF he is correct that... bvar22 May 2015 #24

Great points bvar 22 raindaddy May 2015 #25

And tariffs and "protectionism" ibegurpard May 2015 #87

Yes, yes, yes. Excellent post. F4lconF16 May 2015 #90

K & R AzDar May 2015 #31

K/R Jack Rabbit May 2015 #32

I don't. SamKnause May 2015 #39

But I still hate to see a grown man make such a fool of himself Jack Rabbit May 2015 #40

So don't take it anymore! F4lconF16 May 2015 #95

On the other hand... yallerdawg May 2015 #38

so that's why are trade deficits with ftas partners cali May 2015 #45

Globalization has been a reality for decades, like it or not YoungDemCA May 2015 #44

It isn't "reality" any more than debtor prison and NSA surveillence is a "reality". You confuse whereisjustice May 2015 #48

Exactly! ctsnowman May 2015 #91

globalization is a political construct ibegurpard May 2015 #93

I disagree with one part of this. F4lconF16 May 2015 #97

You are right, I tend to think of the hockey stick like trajectory of corporate influence whereisjustice May 2015 #107

"Hockey-stick like trajectory". I like that. nt F4lconF16 May 2015 #108

Exactly whatchamacallit May 2015 #103

his bad politics started the day after his first inauguration Doctor_J May 2015 #50

He lost me at "Rahm" nt PassingFair May 2015 #55

Yup FlatBaroque May 2015 #92

Don't beat yourself up. We didn't really have a choice. PassingFair May 2015 #104

But,....but,....but,...Phil says Americans don't WANT to make shoes! Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #58

Reality Check JayNev May 2015 #59

I should add... JayNev May 2015 #60

Yep - 840high May 2015 #63

Why would he lie ? iamthebandfanman May 2015 #65

Is this just a matter of the president not being too perceptive? Jakes Progress May 2015 #66

Taken with words of the rich AND father issues. SMC22307 May 2015 #71

K&R blackspade May 2015 #68

Not in this country. Not any more. pbmus May 2015 #78

K&R nt myrna minx May 2015 #83

HUGE K&R Never forget that NEOLIBERALS are pushing this crap on American workers scam. 99Forever May 2015 #94

K&R CharlotteVale May 2015 #101

What Happened To This Obama - Promoted The Modification (Scrapping) Of NAFTA - So Confused cantbeserious May 2015 #112

I've got to agree with Charles Pierce on this one. PatrickforO May 2015 #113

He's just campaigning for a different job now-- regular corporate speaker. Marr May 2015 #114