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truedelphi

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225. That is not relevant. In fact, your statement is a red herring.
Sun May 10, 2015, 07:33 PM
May 2015

Last edited Mon May 11, 2015, 05:16 PM - Edit history (1)

What was Dennis' specialty was not trade, but instead the actual rebuilding of an economy after a collapse. And Kucinich was sitting at the top of the House Committee on Oversight of Financial Matters during the 2008 Economic collapse..

His recommendation was that the laws that remained on the books from the days of the Savings and Loan Crisis, circa the late 1980's, simply be brushed off and followed. After all, what happened when the Savings and Loans went belly up, was that members of the Bush and Reagan Administrations saw to ti that local banks were offered federal and state charters, and then by agreeing to loaning the government bailout monies to the people on Main Street, the crisis could be resolved.

And thus the Savings and Loan crisis was resolved.

But Obama did not want to go that way, as there probably was a quid pro quo deal taken in late Summer of 2008 that if he was the candidate for the Presidency, then he would agree to whatever Wall Street interests dictated. So we got to watch Obama install Mr Geithner, who had done such atrocious manipulations of the market and the re-arranging of the Wall Street firms, that he deserved an orange jump suit and to be RICO'ed out of office.

Instead, Obama let this arch criminal become head of Treasury! (This despite Mr Geithner not having even bothered to pay his taxes for several years - for which I never heard of him even paying a penalty!)

The result is that right now, there is no longer any contract law iin existence for consumers if and when they enter into any agreement with a bank. The banks do what they want. Same with the big utility firms.

The other result is that for every dollar of profit generated inside the USA, some 49 cents of it goes directly to the coffers of big banking. Contrast this dismal state of affairs to what existed back in the 1970's and 1980's when only 8 or 9 cents out of every dollar of profit became the bankers' property.


And had Kucinich and several others on that committee seen their recommendations for re-building the economy followed by the President during its collapse, we would not be in situation wherein over 20 trillions of dollars has been spent, mostly shelled out to the big Financial People. And the situation with derivatives is still in place, so that the next time around that a big collapse occurs, we Americans in the Middle Class will once again see our stores shuttered, and our prospects for a decent life ruined.

People do not trust him because they are beginning to understand Llanganati May 2015 #1
Many people have understood that since halfway through his first term. ibegurpard May 2015 #2
+1 n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #23
Since.. sendero May 2015 #40
Yes....and I have been fredamae May 2015 #232
yep 840high May 2015 #134
I KNEW, as soon as he did this: bvar22 May 2015 #164
And remember all the excuses we heard back then - truedelphi May 2015 #202
n-dimensional chess. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #208
Did those excuses come from the same gang that's not pushing for Bernie? L0oniX May 2015 #247
there's one in particular I haven't seen for a very long time ibegurpard May 2015 #264
Probably so. truedelphi May 2015 #300
That's what they call telegraphing a message. pa28 May 2015 #224
BINGO! CrawlingChaos May 2015 #241
YEP! imthevicar May 2015 #259
I figured that out the day he appointed Geithner as Treasury Sec. hifiguy May 2015 #175
Well it makes sense. padfun May 2015 #185
heh heh n/t truedelphi May 2015 #203
That was what did it for me Aerows May 2015 #190
endless horseshit. spanone May 2015 #36
President Obama has talked and worked for increasing asian pacific trade from 2009! Sunlei May 2015 #101
To Paraphrase Dennis Kucinich, "We can all see that you are working mighty hard, there, truedelphi May 2015 #206
You're quoting the guy who RAN--not walked--to Rupert Murdoch's trough where he eats his fill? MADem May 2015 #214
I don't even know or care who that critic is. what has your DK done to bring more trade business to Sunlei May 2015 #218
That is not relevant. In fact, your statement is a red herring. truedelphi May 2015 #225
^^^^ THIS ^^^^ Octafish May 2015 #255
Outstanding post. nt woo me with science May 2015 #297
... SidDithers May 2015 #209
Wow, Sid--You converted me Jackpine Radical May 2015 #258
So Sid... ibegurpard May 2015 #265
I'm looking forward to seeing Sid's well thought-out Art_from_Ark May 2015 #269
LOL bvar22 May 2015 #299
I began to understand when he put Wall Street smack dab in the White House. cui bono May 2015 #229
And Hillary Clinton is cut from the same cloth. donf May 2015 #280
but he sure gives purty speeches Skittles May 2015 #257
I don't trust a man who eats kittens. n/t Lil Missy May 2015 #3
I don't trust anybody who'd drone a wedding party. delrem May 2015 #4
+ the number of civilians killed by drone strikes nationalize the fed May 2015 #11
Wow. CrispyQ May 2015 #131
wow is right FlatBaroque May 2015 #163
You expect the US to leave Al Qaeda alone? treestar May 2015 #38
And what do you think happens every time a drone kills an innocent civilian? markpkessinger May 2015 #54
Unfortunately, that is exactly the goal of drone strikes. Having angry enemies is necessary to GoneFishin May 2015 #75
This. ^^^ CrispyQ May 2015 #133
Maybe it meant Made/Designed in America...? Beartracks May 2015 #182
Yep. Ya got that right! kath May 2015 #149
I agree with that argument treestar May 2015 #108
If Al Qaeda didn't exist we'd have to create them ... TBF May 2015 #155
Funny how that works. +1 nt F4lconF16 May 2015 #157
If you agreed, there would be no "but" Scootaloo May 2015 #296
Well, you know, since the cold war is over we need a good solid reliable enemy. Enthusiast May 2015 #173
Yes, I think Obama droned that wedding party because he's a murderer. delrem May 2015 #216
So you really think he finds it totally unnecessary from a national security viewpoint treestar May 2015 #236
You asked a question re. the droning of a fucking wedding party. delrem May 2015 #245
Blowing up children is the key to defeating al-Qaeda? Scootaloo May 2015 #294
. stonecutter357 May 2015 #167
^^^this^^^ L0oniX May 2015 #244
That's great, me neither. So what do you think about how Obama is pushing this sabrina 1 May 2015 #103
apparently we just don't understand it... ibegurpard May 2015 #132
We have little capacity for understanding complex issues. Enthusiast May 2015 #174
Or tells us he will close Gitmo and end the torture there, and roll back the Patriot Act. rhett o rick May 2015 #192
He COULDN'T close Gitmo senz May 2015 #250
So when he said "I will close Gitmo" he really meant, "If the bad ole Republicons will let me." rhett o rick May 2015 #268
And yet Obama has an 88% approval rating among liberal Dems Cali_Democrat May 2015 #5
the same liberal dems ibegurpard May 2015 #6
why don't they support sanders ? JI7 May 2015 #17
Many of us are supporting Sanders . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #18
the fact is Sanders does not have "many" supporters JI7 May 2015 #19
No? Scuba May 2015 #24
Chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp. Big surprise there, eh? - nt KingCharlemagne May 2015 #124
If that is what you think, you aren't paying attention. nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #312
This thread is about our duplicitous corporate president, not Sen Sanders Doctor_J May 2015 #32
social issues affect working class JI7 May 2015 #21
In the political "pyramid of needs" ibegurpard May 2015 #35
Your privileged status blinds you. In 29 States, it is legal to discriminate against LGBT people in Bluenorthwest May 2015 #66
yes I'm well aware of that ibegurpard May 2015 #69
So then why are you claiming that 'social issues' are separate and less that 'food on the table' Bluenorthwest May 2015 #80
Discrimination is not the only thing that keeps people from putting food on the table. ibegurpard May 2015 #85
And when did I assert that it was 'the only thing'? I did not. Why don't you address what I DID say? Bluenorthwest May 2015 #89
Here's what you said: ibegurpard May 2015 #90
Did I say it was 'the only' cause? No. So why not address what I said? Bluenorthwest May 2015 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author Marr May 2015 #158
Democrats, particularly liberal Democrats, are the only group that does support TPP and pampango May 2015 #30
It is a job killer. Our Amerian Steel industry will be finished if this INdemo May 2015 #114
You do realize that most of the "Reagan Democrats" were from labor. Ironically, that election which still_one May 2015 #138
I figure the old truism is wrong hfojvt May 2015 #122
Ah, yes.. the reality of the Country.. that the President has helped including me. Not just the Cha May 2015 #285
I wish it weren't... but it's true. AzDar May 2015 #7
+1 Not Sure May 2015 #8
No president is an island unto him/herself. Being president BreakfastClub May 2015 #9
I noticed you did not mention the TPP DrDan May 2015 #14
"choosing the best choice of many bad choices" -- on NAFTA? on TPP? markpkessinger May 2015 #20
Thank you. LuvNewcastle May 2015 #45
Well that says it all. tblue May 2015 #151
He chose to go after medical marijuana users rather aggressively too arcane1 May 2015 #181
Indeed n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #251
Anyone with any political sense at all recognizes this ibegurpard May 2015 #34
Utter nonsense... sendero May 2015 #42
Precisely. Enthusiast May 2015 #176
Trust True Blue American May 2015 #10
Maybe it was his intention to insult Democrats. Enthusiast May 2015 #179
Welcome to DU, True Blue American. truedelphi May 2015 #197
Race plays a big part here mwrguy May 2015 #12
You pretend to actually care about the public option, and yet you know nothing about what okaawhatever May 2015 #13
You're saying he gave up with no fight because he might lose. You completely missed ... Scuba May 2015 #25
The fight to convince Brown of the public option? treestar May 2015 #39
Brown wasn't the only Senator in the Senate. But then you knew that. Scuba May 2015 #49
You ignore the 60 vote requirement, but then you knew that. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #70
Obama refused to fight for the public option. He saved his fight for the TPP. eom. Scuba May 2015 #78
Bullshit. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #79
He never had the votes in the Senate. The blue dogs were NOT going to go for it. Lieberman, Bayh, still_one May 2015 #145
This isn't about revisiting the ACA fight ibegurpard May 2015 #223
Then why bring it up by the OP? fact, it distracts from the TPP argument you are trying to make still_one May 2015 #235
It was to illustrate what he will and will not expend his political capital upon ibegurpard May 2015 #263
Bullshit. "It was surrendered out of the starting gate". He fought his ass off to get ACA passed okaawhatever May 2015 #281
Which one could have been turned? treestar May 2015 #109
The one from Nebraska basically blackmailed the White House and got a bunch of money okaawhatever May 2015 #180
So for one vote in the senate.. sendero May 2015 #43
+1,000 Scuba May 2015 #50
I'll add my +1000 to Scuba's! n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #55
Different laws and different issues treestar May 2015 #111
Ditto! nt truebluegreen May 2015 #129
Oh how fucking ridiculous. You know what, the truth is out there. You can choose to believe okaawhatever May 2015 #211
Nothing new there.. it's hilarous how they can sling anything they want and it gets eaten up by Cha May 2015 #289
+100 nt okaawhatever May 2015 #295
Hells' bell's -- anyone with two wits about them would have to wonder how truedelphi May 2015 #207
I don't remember seeing this at the time ibegurpard May 2015 #272
Oh it's one of the ignorant insult du jours.. They think they smell blood in the water again so Cha May 2015 #288
because he is black JI7 May 2015 #15
You are pushing a false narrative. Are there many people who oppose cali May 2015 #28
when we talk about"many" it is because of race JI7 May 2015 #153
I think it makes it easier for some to continue Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #171
Try, it's because he's a "New Democrat". His words on his inauguration. stillwaiting May 2015 #33
Yep, scary black guy is trying to take advantage of everyone. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #47
Call bullshit all you want ibegurpard May 2015 #48
He is less "scary" than fucking Wayne Brady get out of here with that lame, copycat bullshit. TheKentuckian May 2015 #127
Horsepucky. 99Forever May 2015 #73
Try because he's a con man... polichick May 2015 #146
Yeah, I remember his talks against the plubic option. joshcryer May 2015 #16
He certainly didn't fight for it. Scuba May 2015 #26
He was a newcomer. joshcryer May 2015 #27
Wow, that's really lame. Scuba May 2015 #29
He was elected because he rocked the boat from the beginning. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #92
Maybe he should have blackmailed Liberman. JoePhilly May 2015 #57
maybe ibegurpard May 2015 #59
Funny ... liberals advocating the President use illegal methods to pass JoePhilly May 2015 #63
Funny isn't it. TM99 May 2015 #98
Is he blackmailing either one? JoePhilly May 2015 #100
Why raise 'blackmailing'? TM99 May 2015 #220
He was apparently saving such tactics for the TPP. Scuba May 2015 #61
which is exactly the point I'm making here ibegurpard May 2015 #62
Who has he blackmailed? JoePhilly May 2015 #64
Well, he's putting on a full-court press for the TPP, something he never did for the public option. Scuba May 2015 #65
So no one. Public option was never going to happen. JoePhilly May 2015 #67
The public option was never going to happen without him fighting for it, which he didn't. And ... Scuba May 2015 #68
exactly ibegurpard May 2015 #71
It was never going to happen period. JoePhilly May 2015 #74
You don't seem to get it. But at least you're consistent. Scuba May 2015 #77
I get it very well. JoePhilly May 2015 #83
Especially about this fighting meme treestar May 2015 #117
It's not that he didn't fight hard enough. It's that he didn't fight at all. Scuba May 2015 #177
Exactly. He waved the white flag before the first shots were fired. BillZBubb May 2015 #184
You know sometimes I think that's what people are suggesting treestar May 2015 #115
How is this fighting done? treestar May 2015 #113
We're talking about what he fights vociferously FOR here... ibegurpard May 2015 #44
We have the best government corporations can buy. B Calm May 2015 #22
Because he doesn't take ACA and public schools "personally". Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #31
The ACA has saved my sister and her family ... JoePhilly May 2015 #96
It's hard to know how your post relates to either mine or to the OP. Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #140
Your assumption of my opinions about the ACA are correct ibegurpard May 2015 #142
Try to force the PO and there would be no ACA. JoePhilly May 2015 #154
You've been championing corporate-friendly third-way policy on DU ibegurpard May 2015 #162
Awe .. and now you try to hurt my feelings ... how "liberal" of you. JoePhilly May 2015 #316
I think you make a good point here. NCTraveler May 2015 #314
What's the point of going to the mat for things that won't happen? treestar May 2015 #37
This is about what he goes to the mat FOR ibegurpard May 2015 #41
One of MY senators ibegurpard May 2015 #46
Montana? One of the States that offers zero protection from discriminatin in employment to LGBT Bluenorthwest May 2015 #76
I already told you to shove your presumptions ibegurpard May 2015 #81
And yet you keep yammering that 'social issues' have nothing to do with jobs. Maybe you have been Bluenorthwest May 2015 #94
I think those were impossible goals.. this one is doable. DCBob May 2015 #51
yup...cheer on your corporate third-way president! ibegurpard May 2015 #52
Nonsensical ignorant insulting comment. DCBob May 2015 #188
That's all they got. Cha May 2015 #290
I never trust anyone that has ... 99Forever May 2015 #53
If you don't trust trustworthy people, there is something wrong with you. tridim May 2015 #56
If you trust people you have no personal relationship or experience with ibegurpard May 2015 #58
Then you don't know what the word "trustworthy" means. tridim May 2015 #125
OK ibegurpard May 2015 #130
LOL.. they're always looking for blood in the water.. think they really have it this time.. oh yeah Cha May 2015 #286
I don't trust the perpetually disgruntled or the combustible hair club. JoePhilly May 2015 #60
^^^ This right here. MohRokTah May 2015 #72
Indeed.. have they ever been right about anything?? DCBob May 2015 #82
To be fair ... JoePhilly May 2015 #88
If they were in charge.. DCBob May 2015 #93
Agree completely ... JoePhilly May 2015 #95
Sure they can ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #303
Lol JoePhilly May 2015 #307
Amen to your last sentence treestar May 2015 #120
Thanks for the sanity redstateblues May 2015 #234
KnR to everyone of your posts! sheshe2 May 2015 #248
This, in its entirety. Bobbie Jo May 2015 #84
Probably how I don't trust the corporate third-way apologists ibegurpard May 2015 #87
Obama didn't sign NAFTA or telecom deregulation. JoePhilly May 2015 #91
Clinton signed NAFTA and the 1996 Telecommunications Act neverforget May 2015 #116
+10000000000000000 treestar May 2015 #118
Thank you! tridim May 2015 #128
Their persistence even in the face of being wrong many times is sooooooo.........conservative uponit7771 May 2015 #243
But but but You don't think Bernie will usher in a Socialist redstateblues May 2015 #254
+1 n/t FSogol May 2015 #313
Different messaging for a different audience. Unvanguard May 2015 #86
Huh? 99Forever May 2015 #99
Meant every word. Unvanguard May 2015 #102
What color is the sky in your world? 99Forever May 2015 #104
Pretty sure it's still blue Unvanguard May 2015 #105
Interesting. 99Forever May 2015 #106
Sounds like a strange multidimensional coincidence Unvanguard May 2015 #112
Obama had a Democratic majority when the ACA was being negotiated. Maedhros May 2015 #172
And like he's doing at this very moment for the TPP ibegurpard May 2015 #178
He could not afford to lose a single Democrat in the Senate. Unvanguard May 2015 #221
He ultimately lost a lot ibegurpard May 2015 #222
The Affordable Care Act is doing enormous good every day. Unvanguard May 2015 #238
Find some. Maedhros May 2015 #266
Oh he's real good at it when he wants to be ibegurpard May 2015 #267
So you would vote for Obama again even INdemo May 2015 #107
If my choices were Elizabeth Warren or Obama ibegurpard May 2015 #110
What about Hillary or Sanders? INdemo May 2015 #119
Sanders as far as he can go ibegurpard May 2015 #121
2008 Candidate Obama: "I will replace Fast Track... RiverLover May 2015 #123
ty 840high May 2015 #136
I think one could argue that he is attempting to do that. DCBob May 2015 #137
And one could also argue he's thrown the majority of it out the window. ibegurpard May 2015 #141
I dont think so. DCBob May 2015 #144
Proof? RiverLover May 2015 #150
Of course he is. Cha May 2015 #287
BBI Bobbie Jo May 2015 #148
K&R CharlotteVale May 2015 #126
A public option or medicare for all could not pass. I love the same talking point on the ACA when still_one May 2015 #135
Once again: ibegurpard May 2015 #139
He had no political capital with the ACA, no blue dog would have allowed the public option. The still_one May 2015 #147
I don't know how you oppose NAFTA but support onecaliberal May 2015 #143
+1000 nt Mojorabbit May 2015 #152
Not this shit again. It springs up like malaria with mind-numbing regularity. True Blue Door May 2015 #156
Mt Rushmore material? ibegurpard May 2015 #159
It's mind-boggling if you sincerely believe that. True Blue Door May 2015 #160
"The smallness of commentary like this is unbecoming of progressivism." Number23 May 2015 #191
"Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain." True Blue Door May 2015 #195
the gods? ibegurpard May 2015 #196
It's a metaphor from poetry, sport. True Blue Door May 2015 #199
Here's a quote to stick up your metaphor ibegurpard May 2015 #200
Here's another. True Blue Door May 2015 #205
Same old BS Andy823 May 2015 #161
Yawn trumad May 2015 #165
.. Cha May 2015 #291
It's become obvious who he represents raindaddy May 2015 #166
Because he has proven he can't be trusted? nt truebluegreen May 2015 #168
hyperbolic nonsense. stonecutter357 May 2015 #169
I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious May 2015 #170
you don't "trust" Obama? heaven05 May 2015 #183
And you know why alot of people do trust him? Because they look at the caliber of his opposition Number23 May 2015 #186
Take a look at the caliber of his opposition on this issue... ibegurpard May 2015 #187
The same people on the "left" that are howling about this have howled about everything. Number23 May 2015 #193
Not everything ibegurpard May 2015 #194
No - EVERYTHING. And even when convinced that Evil Obama would do what Evil Obama does best Number23 May 2015 #201
not everything ibegurpard May 2015 #204
And this board screamed that none of these things would happen because the man is Pure Evil Number23 May 2015 #210
oh calm down ibegurpard May 2015 #213
Saying that this discussion is pointless is not hyperbole. I have no idea why you're telling me to Number23 May 2015 #237
No one has ever said he's pure evil ibegurpard May 2015 #261
Again, it's obvious you only see what you want. You got people in this thread calling him a "con man Number23 May 2015 #271
Exactly +1000000000 Andy823 May 2015 #227
Their egos are what fuel them.. not reality. Cha May 2015 #293
One of the reasons I'm for Hillary, cause the dumb ass'd conservatives hate her. uponit7771 May 2015 #246
Congratulations dreamnightwind May 2015 #249
Your post makes no sense at all Number23 May 2015 #270
Sadly I believe you really don't get it dreamnightwind May 2015 #282
My guess is different levels of understanding of the English language. Number23 May 2015 #302
Aloha 23.. I trust President Obama because he comes through.. he's earned his trust. And, couldn't Cha May 2015 #283
I've learned not to trust ANY politician (nt) bigwillq May 2015 #189
generally a good idea ibegurpard May 2015 #198
Make that ANYBODY. Helen Borg May 2015 #217
As a beneficiary of ACA I am very thankful he was strong in pushing ACA even Thinkingabout May 2015 #212
Obama has totally ruined any legacy he had with this TPP. ananda May 2015 #215
A story from Oregon ibegurpard May 2015 #219
Incestuous plutocrat fuckery is why I don't trust him, whitehouse.gov ISDS reply to Senator Warren Agony May 2015 #226
That is One Hellava Question fredamae May 2015 #228
It's nice to see that he's capable of leadership. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #230
The two things he's really fought hard for: cui bono May 2015 #231
Hear, hear. EEO May 2015 #233
I'd vote for him again, but... Freelancer May 2015 #239
A bait-and-switch, corporate Trojan horse presidency built on lies. woo me with science May 2015 #240
He was keeping his powder dry so he could fuck us all over with TPP, then he's gone whereisjustice May 2015 #242
A President can't buck corporate power by himself senz May 2015 #252
That's just a PARTIAL list of what needs to be done before a progressive president have an impact. senz May 2015 #253
anyone with a lick of sense knows that ibegurpard May 2015 #262
False premise. It is NOT true that "many people don't trust Obama"! George II May 2015 #256
A false premise would be that ALL people don't trust Obama ibegurpard May 2015 #260
Many people do Trust President Obama.. and yeah, if "oversimplify" means "untrue". Cha May 2015 #292
I voted for the president twice... the_sly_pig May 2015 #273
So did I ibegurpard May 2015 #274
He had no congress to work with.... the_sly_pig May 2015 #275
read this ibegurpard May 2015 #276
Thanks for that disturbing article... :( the_sly_pig May 2015 #278
I'm sorry ibegurpard May 2015 #279
No matter how good a man he is he's still A POLITICIAN! Kablooie May 2015 #277
I don't know if Bush honestly believed invading Iraq was to be wonderful for all of us or not Maedhros May 2015 #304
It not that you shouldn't criticize him. The point is you shouldn't TRUST him. Kablooie May 2015 #305
Oh, I don't. Maedhros May 2015 #306
Not what I meant. I guess I didn't make my point clearly enough. Kablooie May 2015 #308
That is certainly true. Maedhros May 2015 #309
Is he running for reelection? Nevernose May 2015 #310
I hate to say it but you may be right. Kablooie May 2015 #311
Yes, but it's considered impolite to say it. nt ucrdem May 2015 #284
TPP, Obama and McConnell have an agreement. B Calm May 2015 #298
I heard Thom make this point today also. randys1 May 2015 #301
Please give me some names of more "trusted" politicians Blue_Tires May 2015 #315
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