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Jim Lane

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58. More than three, actually.

Sun May 10, 2015, 09:14 PM

May 2015

One should include Harris's illegal voter purge and the butterfly ballot.

I'm not sure Gore's campaign belongs on the list. He didn't deliver the fiery left-wing speeches that would have thrilled many DUers, but a national campaign involves numerous competing considerations. For example, DUers are quick to criticize his selection of Lieberman, but Lieberman was popular in Florida. A ticket of Gore plus some Northern liberal (e.g., Kerry) might have lost Florida legitimately. (Of course, with Kerry he might have won New Hampshire and thus become President.)

I don't understand the need to pin everything on a single point of reference.

On THAT point I completely agree with you.

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I thought the consortium Ms. Yertle May 2015 #1

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I see Ms. Yertle May 2015 #3

You are correct... trumad May 2015 #4

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by absolute necessity reddread May 2015 #34

Overvotes have always been invalid ballots 1939 May 2015 #7

The Voting Rights act of 1965, IIRC, covered voter intent. Hassin Bin Sober May 2015 #27

You are correct, sir. What is important is Florida law, Damansarajaya May 2015 #62

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Technicality question: Ms. Yertle May 2015 #35

To be candid, I don't give a shit about technicality questions. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #41

Well, Ms. Yertle May 2015 #43

clearly you are not referring to due process. reddread May 2015 #44

"Process" = 1) we vote 2) those votes are counted 3) the winner takes office. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #50

Lumberjack Jeff has it exactly right. Damansarajaya May 2015 #63

Yes. It was a perfect storm on three fronts. randome May 2015 #5

#4. Bill Clinton, as head of the Democratic Party, allowed infrastructure to rot KittyWampus May 2015 #8

Helping Democrats has never been a Clinton thing Damansarajaya May 2015 #64

no malice aforethought? nothing was planned? a perfect accident? reddread May 2015 #9

'The need' is to deflect guilt from Nader. onehandle May 2015 #12

I dont see them mentioned in the OP reddread May 2015 #13

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randome... Rex May 2015 #52

More than three, actually. Jim Lane May 2015 #58

And the Florida state legislature which quietly voted to give Florida's Electoral College votes to stevenleser May 2015 #59

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But…but…but it all worked out!!! PCIntern May 2015 #11

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Reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaallly???? Ms. Yertle May 2015 #36

we all know it was because of extremist leftist candidates reddread May 2015 #40

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did you divorce my Turtle? reddread May 2015 #46

compared to Bush/Reagan? reddread May 2015 #47

If the Repukes Didn't Steal Those Elections... harrose May 2015 #61

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that isnt logic, that is a baseless assertion reddread May 2015 #21

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Becuase it is an easy excuse and a lazy excuse nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #28

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My recollection of one aspect: graegoyle May 2015 #24

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No--they stole it "A LOT." MADem May 2015 #30

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I dont see how reddread May 2015 #49

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We have been living in a sham system ever since. Baitball Blogger May 2015 #54

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