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258. Wow, Sid--You converted me

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Sun May 10, 2015, 09:59 PM

May 2015

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You know why many people don't trust Obama? [View all] ibegurpard May 2015 OP

People do not trust him because they are beginning to understand Llanganati May 2015 #1

Many people have understood that since halfway through his first term. ibegurpard May 2015 #2

+1 n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #23

Since.. sendero May 2015 #40

Yes....and I have been fredamae May 2015 #232

yep 840high May 2015 #134

I KNEW, as soon as he did this: bvar22 May 2015 #164

And remember all the excuses we heard back then - truedelphi May 2015 #202

n-dimensional chess. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #208

Did those excuses come from the same gang that's not pushing for Bernie? L0oniX May 2015 #247

there's one in particular I haven't seen for a very long time ibegurpard May 2015 #264

Probably so. truedelphi May 2015 #300

That's what they call telegraphing a message. pa28 May 2015 #224

BINGO! CrawlingChaos May 2015 #241

YEP! imthevicar May 2015 #259

I figured that out the day he appointed Geithner as Treasury Sec. hifiguy May 2015 #175

Well it makes sense. padfun May 2015 #185

heh heh n/t truedelphi May 2015 #203

That was what did it for me Aerows May 2015 #190

endless horseshit. spanone May 2015 #36

President Obama has talked and worked for increasing asian pacific trade from 2009! Sunlei May 2015 #101

To Paraphrase Dennis Kucinich, "We can all see that you are working mighty hard, there, truedelphi May 2015 #206

You're quoting the guy who RAN--not walked--to Rupert Murdoch's trough where he eats his fill? MADem May 2015 #214

I don't even know or care who that critic is. what has your DK done to bring more trade business to Sunlei May 2015 #218

That is not relevant. In fact, your statement is a red herring. truedelphi May 2015 #225

^^^^ THIS ^^^^ Octafish May 2015 #255

Outstanding post. nt woo me with science May 2015 #297

... SidDithers May 2015 #209

Wow, Sid--You converted me Jackpine Radical May 2015 #258

So Sid... ibegurpard May 2015 #265

I'm looking forward to seeing Sid's well thought-out Art_from_Ark May 2015 #269

LOL bvar22 May 2015 #299

I began to understand when he put Wall Street smack dab in the White House. cui bono May 2015 #229

And Hillary Clinton is cut from the same cloth. donf May 2015 #280

but he sure gives purty speeches Skittles May 2015 #257

I don't trust a man who eats kittens. n/t Lil Missy May 2015 #3

I don't trust anybody who'd drone a wedding party. delrem May 2015 #4

+ the number of civilians killed by drone strikes nationalize the fed May 2015 #11

Wow. CrispyQ May 2015 #131

wow is right FlatBaroque May 2015 #163

You expect the US to leave Al Qaeda alone? treestar May 2015 #38

And what do you think happens every time a drone kills an innocent civilian? markpkessinger May 2015 #54

Unfortunately, that is exactly the goal of drone strikes. Having angry enemies is necessary to GoneFishin May 2015 #75

This. ^^^ CrispyQ May 2015 #133

Maybe it meant Made/Designed in America...? Beartracks May 2015 #182

Yep. Ya got that right! kath May 2015 #149

I agree with that argument treestar May 2015 #108

If Al Qaeda didn't exist we'd have to create them ... TBF May 2015 #155

Funny how that works. +1 nt F4lconF16 May 2015 #157

If you agreed, there would be no "but" Scootaloo May 2015 #296

Well, you know, since the cold war is over we need a good solid reliable enemy. Enthusiast May 2015 #173

Yes, I think Obama droned that wedding party because he's a murderer. delrem May 2015 #216

So you really think he finds it totally unnecessary from a national security viewpoint treestar May 2015 #236

You asked a question re. the droning of a fucking wedding party. delrem May 2015 #245

Blowing up children is the key to defeating al-Qaeda? Scootaloo May 2015 #294

. stonecutter357 May 2015 #167

^^^this^^^ L0oniX May 2015 #244

That's great, me neither. So what do you think about how Obama is pushing this sabrina 1 May 2015 #103

apparently we just don't understand it... ibegurpard May 2015 #132

We have little capacity for understanding complex issues. Enthusiast May 2015 #174

Or tells us he will close Gitmo and end the torture there, and roll back the Patriot Act. rhett o rick May 2015 #192

He COULDN'T close Gitmo senz May 2015 #250

So when he said "I will close Gitmo" he really meant, "If the bad ole Republicons will let me." rhett o rick May 2015 #268

And yet Obama has an 88% approval rating among liberal Dems Cali_Democrat May 2015 #5

the same liberal dems ibegurpard May 2015 #6

why don't they support sanders ? JI7 May 2015 #17

Many of us are supporting Sanders . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #18

the fact is Sanders does not have "many" supporters JI7 May 2015 #19

No? Scuba May 2015 #24

Chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp. Big surprise there, eh? - nt KingCharlemagne May 2015 #124

If that is what you think, you aren't paying attention. nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #312

This thread is about our duplicitous corporate president, not Sen Sanders Doctor_J May 2015 #32

social issues affect working class JI7 May 2015 #21

In the political "pyramid of needs" ibegurpard May 2015 #35

Your privileged status blinds you. In 29 States, it is legal to discriminate against LGBT people in Bluenorthwest May 2015 #66

yes I'm well aware of that ibegurpard May 2015 #69

So then why are you claiming that 'social issues' are separate and less that 'food on the table' Bluenorthwest May 2015 #80

Discrimination is not the only thing that keeps people from putting food on the table. ibegurpard May 2015 #85

And when did I assert that it was 'the only thing'? I did not. Why don't you address what I DID say? Bluenorthwest May 2015 #89

Here's what you said: ibegurpard May 2015 #90

Did I say it was 'the only' cause? No. So why not address what I said? Bluenorthwest May 2015 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr May 2015 #158

Democrats, particularly liberal Democrats, are the only group that does support TPP and pampango May 2015 #30

It is a job killer. Our Amerian Steel industry will be finished if this INdemo May 2015 #114

You do realize that most of the "Reagan Democrats" were from labor. Ironically, that election which still_one May 2015 #138

I figure the old truism is wrong hfojvt May 2015 #122

Ah, yes.. the reality of the Country.. that the President has helped including me. Not just the Cha May 2015 #285

I wish it weren't... but it's true. AzDar May 2015 #7

+1 Not Sure May 2015 #8

No president is an island unto him/herself. Being president BreakfastClub May 2015 #9

I noticed you did not mention the TPP DrDan May 2015 #14

"choosing the best choice of many bad choices" -- on NAFTA? on TPP? markpkessinger May 2015 #20

Thank you. LuvNewcastle May 2015 #45

Well that says it all. tblue May 2015 #151

He chose to go after medical marijuana users rather aggressively too arcane1 May 2015 #181

Indeed n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #251

Anyone with any political sense at all recognizes this ibegurpard May 2015 #34

Utter nonsense... sendero May 2015 #42

Precisely. Enthusiast May 2015 #176

Trust True Blue American May 2015 #10

Maybe it was his intention to insult Democrats. Enthusiast May 2015 #179

Welcome to DU, True Blue American. truedelphi May 2015 #197

Race plays a big part here mwrguy May 2015 #12

You pretend to actually care about the public option, and yet you know nothing about what okaawhatever May 2015 #13

You're saying he gave up with no fight because he might lose. You completely missed ... Scuba May 2015 #25

The fight to convince Brown of the public option? treestar May 2015 #39

Brown wasn't the only Senator in the Senate. But then you knew that. Scuba May 2015 #49

You ignore the 60 vote requirement, but then you knew that. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #70

Obama refused to fight for the public option. He saved his fight for the TPP. eom. Scuba May 2015 #78

Bullshit. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #79

He never had the votes in the Senate. The blue dogs were NOT going to go for it. Lieberman, Bayh, still_one May 2015 #145

This isn't about revisiting the ACA fight ibegurpard May 2015 #223

Then why bring it up by the OP? fact, it distracts from the TPP argument you are trying to make still_one May 2015 #235

It was to illustrate what he will and will not expend his political capital upon ibegurpard May 2015 #263

Bullshit. "It was surrendered out of the starting gate". He fought his ass off to get ACA passed okaawhatever May 2015 #281

Which one could have been turned? treestar May 2015 #109

The one from Nebraska basically blackmailed the White House and got a bunch of money okaawhatever May 2015 #180

So for one vote in the senate.. sendero May 2015 #43

+1,000 Scuba May 2015 #50

I'll add my +1000 to Scuba's! n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #55

Different laws and different issues treestar May 2015 #111

Ditto! nt truebluegreen May 2015 #129

Oh how fucking ridiculous. You know what, the truth is out there. You can choose to believe okaawhatever May 2015 #211

Nothing new there.. it's hilarous how they can sling anything they want and it gets eaten up by Cha May 2015 #289

+100 nt okaawhatever May 2015 #295

Hells' bell's -- anyone with two wits about them would have to wonder how truedelphi May 2015 #207

I don't remember seeing this at the time ibegurpard May 2015 #272

Oh it's one of the ignorant insult du jours.. They think they smell blood in the water again so Cha May 2015 #288

because he is black JI7 May 2015 #15

You are pushing a false narrative. Are there many people who oppose cali May 2015 #28

when we talk about"many" it is because of race JI7 May 2015 #153

I think it makes it easier for some to continue Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #171

Try, it's because he's a "New Democrat". His words on his inauguration. stillwaiting May 2015 #33

Yep, scary black guy is trying to take advantage of everyone. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #47

Call bullshit all you want ibegurpard May 2015 #48

He is less "scary" than fucking Wayne Brady get out of here with that lame, copycat bullshit. TheKentuckian May 2015 #127

Horsepucky. 99Forever May 2015 #73

Try because he's a con man... polichick May 2015 #146

Yeah, I remember his talks against the plubic option. joshcryer May 2015 #16

He certainly didn't fight for it. Scuba May 2015 #26

He was a newcomer. joshcryer May 2015 #27

Wow, that's really lame. Scuba May 2015 #29

He was elected because he rocked the boat from the beginning. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #92

Maybe he should have blackmailed Liberman. JoePhilly May 2015 #57

maybe ibegurpard May 2015 #59

Funny ... liberals advocating the President use illegal methods to pass JoePhilly May 2015 #63

Funny isn't it. TM99 May 2015 #98

Is he blackmailing either one? JoePhilly May 2015 #100

Why raise 'blackmailing'? TM99 May 2015 #220

He was apparently saving such tactics for the TPP. Scuba May 2015 #61

which is exactly the point I'm making here ibegurpard May 2015 #62

Who has he blackmailed? JoePhilly May 2015 #64

Well, he's putting on a full-court press for the TPP, something he never did for the public option. Scuba May 2015 #65

So no one. Public option was never going to happen. JoePhilly May 2015 #67

The public option was never going to happen without him fighting for it, which he didn't. And ... Scuba May 2015 #68

exactly ibegurpard May 2015 #71

It was never going to happen period. JoePhilly May 2015 #74

You don't seem to get it. But at least you're consistent. Scuba May 2015 #77

I get it very well. JoePhilly May 2015 #83

Especially about this fighting meme treestar May 2015 #117

It's not that he didn't fight hard enough. It's that he didn't fight at all. Scuba May 2015 #177

Exactly. He waved the white flag before the first shots were fired. BillZBubb May 2015 #184

You know sometimes I think that's what people are suggesting treestar May 2015 #115

How is this fighting done? treestar May 2015 #113

We're talking about what he fights vociferously FOR here... ibegurpard May 2015 #44

We have the best government corporations can buy. B Calm May 2015 #22

Because he doesn't take ACA and public schools "personally". Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #31

The ACA has saved my sister and her family ... JoePhilly May 2015 #96

It's hard to know how your post relates to either mine or to the OP. Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #140

Your assumption of my opinions about the ACA are correct ibegurpard May 2015 #142

Try to force the PO and there would be no ACA. JoePhilly May 2015 #154

You've been championing corporate-friendly third-way policy on DU ibegurpard May 2015 #162

Awe .. and now you try to hurt my feelings ... how "liberal" of you. JoePhilly May 2015 #316

I think you make a good point here. NCTraveler May 2015 #314

What's the point of going to the mat for things that won't happen? treestar May 2015 #37

This is about what he goes to the mat FOR ibegurpard May 2015 #41

One of MY senators ibegurpard May 2015 #46

Montana? One of the States that offers zero protection from discriminatin in employment to LGBT Bluenorthwest May 2015 #76

I already told you to shove your presumptions ibegurpard May 2015 #81

And yet you keep yammering that 'social issues' have nothing to do with jobs. Maybe you have been Bluenorthwest May 2015 #94

I think those were impossible goals.. this one is doable. DCBob May 2015 #51

yup...cheer on your corporate third-way president! ibegurpard May 2015 #52

Nonsensical ignorant insulting comment. DCBob May 2015 #188

That's all they got. Cha May 2015 #290

I never trust anyone that has ... 99Forever May 2015 #53

If you don't trust trustworthy people, there is something wrong with you. tridim May 2015 #56

If you trust people you have no personal relationship or experience with ibegurpard May 2015 #58

Then you don't know what the word "trustworthy" means. tridim May 2015 #125

OK ibegurpard May 2015 #130

LOL.. they're always looking for blood in the water.. think they really have it this time.. oh yeah Cha May 2015 #286

I don't trust the perpetually disgruntled or the combustible hair club. JoePhilly May 2015 #60

^^^ This right here. MohRokTah May 2015 #72

Indeed.. have they ever been right about anything?? DCBob May 2015 #82

To be fair ... JoePhilly May 2015 #88

If they were in charge.. DCBob May 2015 #93

Agree completely ... JoePhilly May 2015 #95

Sure they can ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #303

Lol JoePhilly May 2015 #307

Amen to your last sentence treestar May 2015 #120

Thanks for the sanity redstateblues May 2015 #234

KnR to everyone of your posts! sheshe2 May 2015 #248

This, in its entirety. Bobbie Jo May 2015 #84

Probably how I don't trust the corporate third-way apologists ibegurpard May 2015 #87

Obama didn't sign NAFTA or telecom deregulation. JoePhilly May 2015 #91

Clinton signed NAFTA and the 1996 Telecommunications Act neverforget May 2015 #116

+10000000000000000 treestar May 2015 #118

Thank you! tridim May 2015 #128

Their persistence even in the face of being wrong many times is sooooooo.........conservative uponit7771 May 2015 #243

But but but You don't think Bernie will usher in a Socialist redstateblues May 2015 #254

+1 n/t FSogol May 2015 #313

Different messaging for a different audience. Unvanguard May 2015 #86

Huh? 99Forever May 2015 #99

Meant every word. Unvanguard May 2015 #102

What color is the sky in your world? 99Forever May 2015 #104

Pretty sure it's still blue Unvanguard May 2015 #105

Interesting. 99Forever May 2015 #106

Sounds like a strange multidimensional coincidence Unvanguard May 2015 #112

Obama had a Democratic majority when the ACA was being negotiated. Maedhros May 2015 #172

And like he's doing at this very moment for the TPP ibegurpard May 2015 #178

He could not afford to lose a single Democrat in the Senate. Unvanguard May 2015 #221

He ultimately lost a lot ibegurpard May 2015 #222

The Affordable Care Act is doing enormous good every day. Unvanguard May 2015 #238

Find some. Maedhros May 2015 #266

Oh he's real good at it when he wants to be ibegurpard May 2015 #267

So you would vote for Obama again even INdemo May 2015 #107

If my choices were Elizabeth Warren or Obama ibegurpard May 2015 #110

What about Hillary or Sanders? INdemo May 2015 #119

Sanders as far as he can go ibegurpard May 2015 #121

2008 Candidate Obama: "I will replace Fast Track... RiverLover May 2015 #123

ty 840high May 2015 #136

I think one could argue that he is attempting to do that. DCBob May 2015 #137

And one could also argue he's thrown the majority of it out the window. ibegurpard May 2015 #141

I dont think so. DCBob May 2015 #144

Proof? RiverLover May 2015 #150

Of course he is. Cha May 2015 #287

BBI Bobbie Jo May 2015 #148

K&R CharlotteVale May 2015 #126

A public option or medicare for all could not pass. I love the same talking point on the ACA when still_one May 2015 #135

Once again: ibegurpard May 2015 #139

He had no political capital with the ACA, no blue dog would have allowed the public option. The still_one May 2015 #147

I don't know how you oppose NAFTA but support onecaliberal May 2015 #143

+1000 nt Mojorabbit May 2015 #152

Not this shit again. It springs up like malaria with mind-numbing regularity. True Blue Door May 2015 #156

Mt Rushmore material? ibegurpard May 2015 #159

It's mind-boggling if you sincerely believe that. True Blue Door May 2015 #160

"The smallness of commentary like this is unbecoming of progressivism." Number23 May 2015 #191

"Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain." True Blue Door May 2015 #195

the gods? ibegurpard May 2015 #196

It's a metaphor from poetry, sport. True Blue Door May 2015 #199

Here's a quote to stick up your metaphor ibegurpard May 2015 #200

Here's another. True Blue Door May 2015 #205

Same old BS Andy823 May 2015 #161

Yawn trumad May 2015 #165

.. Cha May 2015 #291

It's become obvious who he represents raindaddy May 2015 #166

Because he has proven he can't be trusted? nt truebluegreen May 2015 #168

hyperbolic nonsense. stonecutter357 May 2015 #169

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious May 2015 #170

you don't "trust" Obama? heaven05 May 2015 #183

And you know why alot of people do trust him? Because they look at the caliber of his opposition Number23 May 2015 #186

Take a look at the caliber of his opposition on this issue... ibegurpard May 2015 #187

The same people on the "left" that are howling about this have howled about everything. Number23 May 2015 #193

Not everything ibegurpard May 2015 #194

No - EVERYTHING. And even when convinced that Evil Obama would do what Evil Obama does best Number23 May 2015 #201

not everything ibegurpard May 2015 #204

And this board screamed that none of these things would happen because the man is Pure Evil Number23 May 2015 #210

oh calm down ibegurpard May 2015 #213

Saying that this discussion is pointless is not hyperbole. I have no idea why you're telling me to Number23 May 2015 #237

No one has ever said he's pure evil ibegurpard May 2015 #261

Again, it's obvious you only see what you want. You got people in this thread calling him a "con man Number23 May 2015 #271

Exactly +1000000000 Andy823 May 2015 #227

Their egos are what fuel them.. not reality. Cha May 2015 #293

One of the reasons I'm for Hillary, cause the dumb ass'd conservatives hate her. uponit7771 May 2015 #246

Congratulations dreamnightwind May 2015 #249

Your post makes no sense at all Number23 May 2015 #270

Sadly I believe you really don't get it dreamnightwind May 2015 #282

My guess is different levels of understanding of the English language. Number23 May 2015 #302

Aloha 23.. I trust President Obama because he comes through.. he's earned his trust. And, couldn't Cha May 2015 #283

I've learned not to trust ANY politician (nt) bigwillq May 2015 #189

generally a good idea ibegurpard May 2015 #198

Make that ANYBODY. Helen Borg May 2015 #217

As a beneficiary of ACA I am very thankful he was strong in pushing ACA even Thinkingabout May 2015 #212

Obama has totally ruined any legacy he had with this TPP. ananda May 2015 #215

A story from Oregon ibegurpard May 2015 #219

Incestuous plutocrat fuckery is why I don't trust him, whitehouse.gov ISDS reply to Senator Warren Agony May 2015 #226

That is One Hellava Question fredamae May 2015 #228

It's nice to see that he's capable of leadership. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #230

The two things he's really fought hard for: cui bono May 2015 #231

Hear, hear. EEO May 2015 #233

I'd vote for him again, but... Freelancer May 2015 #239

A bait-and-switch, corporate Trojan horse presidency built on lies. woo me with science May 2015 #240

He was keeping his powder dry so he could fuck us all over with TPP, then he's gone whereisjustice May 2015 #242

A President can't buck corporate power by himself senz May 2015 #252

That's just a PARTIAL list of what needs to be done before a progressive president have an impact. senz May 2015 #253

anyone with a lick of sense knows that ibegurpard May 2015 #262

False premise. It is NOT true that "many people don't trust Obama"! George II May 2015 #256

A false premise would be that ALL people don't trust Obama ibegurpard May 2015 #260

Many people do Trust President Obama.. and yeah, if "oversimplify" means "untrue". Cha May 2015 #292

I voted for the president twice... the_sly_pig May 2015 #273

So did I ibegurpard May 2015 #274

He had no congress to work with.... the_sly_pig May 2015 #275

read this ibegurpard May 2015 #276

Thanks for that disturbing article... :( the_sly_pig May 2015 #278

I'm sorry ibegurpard May 2015 #279

No matter how good a man he is he's still A POLITICIAN! Kablooie May 2015 #277

I don't know if Bush honestly believed invading Iraq was to be wonderful for all of us or not Maedhros May 2015 #304

It not that you shouldn't criticize him. The point is you shouldn't TRUST him. Kablooie May 2015 #305

Oh, I don't. Maedhros May 2015 #306

Not what I meant. I guess I didn't make my point clearly enough. Kablooie May 2015 #308

That is certainly true. Maedhros May 2015 #309

Is he running for reelection? Nevernose May 2015 #310

I hate to say it but you may be right. Kablooie May 2015 #311

Yes, but it's considered impolite to say it. nt ucrdem May 2015 #284

TPP, Obama and McConnell have an agreement. B Calm May 2015 #298

I heard Thom make this point today also. randys1 May 2015 #301

Please give me some names of more "trusted" politicians Blue_Tires May 2015 #315