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BainsBane

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38. How can you possibly think oligarchy is something that rises of falls based on a president?

Sun May 10, 2015, 11:59 PM

May 2015

You think electing Sanders will magically make all the boo boos go away? You invest so much in one member of the political elite over another, and pretend that alters the social structure? How is it even possible to be so deluded?
I really don't care who you support for president because ultimately it doesn't matter much, but to see this kind of inane comment is fucking frightening. Elections don't put oligarchy into place; nor do they undo it. A president is a figure head, a constitutional position with limited authority. You are not electing Santa Claus or Jesus Christ.
To think that is actually a meme that multiple people believe. How can you hope to have a prayer of changing a system that you can't even begin to understand?

America is truly fucked when this is what passes as leftist activism.

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I like the passive tense! Removes all human action and influence from the equation! nt Bonobo May 2015 #1

Voice, not tense, and where? ucrdem May 2015 #73

You're grammatically incorrect, but yes, the language does limit the scope of what matters Bucky May 2015 #132

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious May 2015 #2

Hillary is getting my vote because I believe she is the most qualified and she is our best hrmjustin May 2015 #3

I'm Ready For Oligarchy - Are You? - Support Obama On TPP - Elect HRC To Continue The Charade cantbeserious May 2015 #4

You do what you want. hrmjustin May 2015 #5

Go Bernie Go - Our Next US President cantbeserious May 2015 #6

A great man! hrmjustin May 2015 #7

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious May 2015 #8

And I have no doubt you will support Sanders to the fullest and I wish you well. hrmjustin May 2015 #9

Always such a great person. Quackers May 2015 #85

Thank you very much. hrmjustin May 2015 #110

I will no longer settle for a Republican regime. okasha May 2015 #134

Definition of trolling. JaneyVee May 2015 #18

agree PowerToThePeople May 2015 #37

How can you possibly think oligarchy is something that rises of falls based on a president? BainsBane May 2015 #38

. Katashi_itto May 2015 #49

... SidDithers May 2015 #75

Waffles are good....! Katashi_itto May 2015 #138

What the fuck is that shit? ismnotwasm May 2015 #129

It's the policies AgingAmerican May 2015 #61

Which policies? BainsBane May 2015 #62

The policies that further the wealth transfer AgingAmerican May 2015 #64

TPP BainsBane May 2015 #65

Grand bargains AgingAmerican May 2015 #66

You mean like the nuclear deal with Iran? BainsBane May 2015 #67

No, like the grand bargains with the GOP AgingAmerican May 2015 #68

So you are talking about Obama's negotiations with the GOP BainsBane May 2015 #69

As an example, yes AgingAmerican May 2015 #71

Obama was a poor negotiator BainsBane May 2015 #72

Well I don't think that hootinholler May 2015 #82

I'm pretty sure that everyone is aware that there is no silver bullet, but Exilednight May 2015 #83

Then tell them there is no difference between the parties and they get furious. Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #56

Ha Ha .... you should have done a thread with that title laserhaas May 2015 #102

I'm sticking with the dynamic duo. redstateblues May 2015 #13

She will be great! hrmjustin May 2015 #14

Well, the economy thrived, Art_from_Ark May 2015 #76

Don't pester the Clinton lobby with facts laserhaas May 2015 #105

Welfare reform. Mass incarcerations. Ramp up of drug war. bravenak May 2015 #130

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It is the fact that she supported them and touted them as accomplishments. bravenak May 2015 #155

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The poster I replied to called them the dynamic DuO. bravenak May 2015 #158

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She has time and my attention. bravenak May 2015 #160

I will only vote Bernie Katashi_itto May 2015 #20

You can only vote for one person. hrmjustin May 2015 #22

Very observant Katashi_itto May 2015 #44

. hrmjustin May 2015 #45

.. Katashi_itto May 2015 #46

I see myself voting for one safeinOhio May 2015 #70

It would be a lot easier if it was plants vs. zombies. Rex May 2015 #10

I'll concur she is a qualified candidate to run for POTUS eloydude May 2015 #11

You state she is far the 1%, how do you explain her work to get the minimun wage increased, Thinkingabout May 2015 #17

It's lip service and it won't help the poor or middle class much at all davidn3600 May 2015 #30

I am still trying to figure out how getting minimum wage increases only helps the 1%. Thinkingabout May 2015 #55

Concur.... War machine, TPP and anti-Wall Street frauds is germane laserhaas May 2015 #106

Love to see that link! tazkcmo May 2015 #115

Hillary's stand on the issues is easily found, has lots of information. Thinkingabout May 2015 #121

lol! tazkcmo May 2015 #122

She will be running on her record. You first complained you only heard talk and wanted links. Thinkingabout May 2015 #123

Complain? tazkcmo May 2015 #125

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If you love war... MattSh May 2015 #59

That's what we heard eight years ago. okasha May 2015 #135

I wont settle for the lessor ergo I support Hillary as my choice for DNC noninee. Thinkingabout May 2015 #12

In other words, you won't support Bernie in the primaries eloydude May 2015 #15

You get Bernie to change his mind on national defense for one and I will give him another look. Thinkingabout May 2015 #19

Hillary's national defense record is nothing to be proud of. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #84

What's wrong with his positions on national defense? hootinholler May 2015 #86

What do you like with his position on national defense record. Thinkingabout May 2015 #91

I asked you what was wrong with them. hootinholler May 2015 #93

His voting record Thinkingabout May 2015 #97

Ooooh, the horrible voting record. hootinholler May 2015 #98

On national security he has a bad record. You don't have to pull teeth, I gave you an Thinkingabout May 2015 #99

Um it's the same question hootinholler May 2015 #100

it is over Thinkingabout May 2015 #108

There are very few like Richards... and Bernie has a better track record laserhaas May 2015 #114

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+1 leftofcool May 2015 #81

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Dude, you just piss people off with this stuff BainsBane May 2015 #21

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Sorry BainsBane May 2015 #28

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Woman, you really piss people off with this stuff. peacebird May 2015 #162

DU rec...nt SidDithers May 2015 #23

She bravely suppored the iraq war, and has experience as a Walmart boad member. Travis_0004 May 2015 #24

Glad you brought up her time on Walmart board, while there she pushed for the Thinkingabout May 2015 #25

And while Hilary was on the board Walmart spent years fighting labor unions. Travis_0004 May 2015 #29

They are still fighting the unions. She hasn't been on the board since 1992. Thinkingabout May 2015 #50

The AUMF vote on Iraq is an albatross around her neck. Sanders brought it up KingCharlemagne May 2015 #31

His votes on national security will also be brought up, he has a mark in the fail column from me. Thinkingabout May 2015 #48

Just won't wantonly and for no reason blow up enough brown folks to make you feel safe, huh? TheKentuckian May 2015 #137

What the hell are you saying? Thinkingabout May 2015 #139

That my impression is that Sanders hasn't supported enough trumped up military adventurism and TheKentuckian May 2015 #143

Look, Bernie is in Congress, he gets briefings, why doesn't he use this information to make great Thinkingabout May 2015 #144

First, last, middle it makes no difference. You have NEVER articulated what your problems are at all TheKentuckian May 2015 #145

I said in my last post it was my last explanation, it still stands. Thinkingabout May 2015 #146

Then random murder of brown folks for profits it is. TheKentuckian May 2015 #147

You must like murdering brown folks, you continue to bring this up. Thinkingabout May 2015 #148

No, I hate it you are the one who can't get enough of it apparently. TheKentuckian May 2015 #150

You know, you do not have any idea what you are talking about, you have never read where I want Thinkingabout May 2015 #151

WalMart's still being sued for failing to promote women, and has no US-made stuff to speak of. LeftyMom May 2015 #35

She hasn't been on the board since 1992, this is when the Buy America program stopped. Thinkingabout May 2015 #47

If she didn't make any lasting changes, than what was the point? LeftyMom May 2015 #51

Say what you want, does not change the facts, she still has this experience, maybe you went Thinkingabout May 2015 #52

"Experience" only matters if one did well. Otherwise Carly effing Fiorina has experience, LeftyMom May 2015 #58

Having talked to several people who worked under Carly, it was noticed during Thinkingabout May 2015 #74

Sam Walton died in 1992 Art_from_Ark May 2015 #156

Hillary also left the board because Bill was elected president. Thinkingabout May 2015 #166

If Sam had lived longer, "Buy America" would have continued Art_from_Ark May 2015 #169

Who knows, but since then with all the complaining about the imports one can not Thinkingabout May 2015 #172

She's more qualified than any of the Repuke clowns in the running Terra Alta May 2015 #27

That's damning her with faint praise though, imo. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2015 #32

Most Qualfied For... What... Exactly... WillyT May 2015 #33

selling out the middle class AtomicKitten May 2015 #140

Good Start... WillyT May 2015 #141

hey AtomicKitten May 2015 #142

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Two statements of opinion, followed by guillaumeb May 2015 #34

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If you haven't noticed... MattSh May 2015 #60

I have noticed. guillaumeb May 2015 #96

I disagree Marrah_G May 2015 #36

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And many of U.S. agree with you... I did a thread on Warren and BS she can't win laserhaas May 2015 #119

. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #39

This type of thinking is part of the problem. Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #54

She's held two high offices, yes. Has she doen particularly well at either? LeftyMom May 2015 #57

Well put and on point laserhaas May 2015 #113

Bernie is the most qualified candidate running for POTUS. AgingAmerican May 2015 #63

He has zero foreign policy experience. DCBob May 2015 #78

So AgingAmerican May 2015 #89

Nope.. not on this issue. DCBob May 2015 #116

He voted against that war AgingAmerican May 2015 #118

Good for Bernie on that one. He was right. DCBob May 2015 #120

because the Congress never deals with foreign policy. bwhahahaha. cali May 2015 #94

I dont consider being a member of congress as foreign policy experience. DCBob May 2015 #112

This election should focus on the restoring the middle class, since without it our economy collapses peacebird May 2015 #161

Economics usually are the main concern in a presidential election Art_from_Ark May 2015 #163

Yes, usually and I am sure it will still be significant issue. DCBob May 2015 #164

Foreign policy experience has far less significance outside the Beltway Art_from_Ark May 2015 #170

Fox news wasnt around back then. DCBob May 2015 #174

Fox News was certainly around for the 2000 and 2008 elections Art_from_Ark May 2015 #177

Yes.. but their influence was minimal until recently. DCBob May 2015 #178

Their influence started in the 1990s Art_from_Ark May 2015 #181

Right but obvious they are having tremendous influence lately.. DCBob May 2015 #183

Yes she is... by far. DCBob May 2015 #77

Her strategy will be AgingAmerican May 2015 #90

Will HRC stand with McConnell and support TPP? B Calm May 2015 #79

Sorry, I'm voting for a candidates position on the issues. Dawgs May 2015 #80

"Qualified" is a weak-ass word. Orsino May 2015 #87

"Follow the money" - Mike Gravel L0oniX May 2015 #88

extra points for the Mike Gravel reference. Hiraeth May 2015 #168

By what measure is she most qualified? askew May 2015 #92

Hardly. She rode Bill's coattails almost her entire career. closeupready May 2015 #95

Just remember..... daleanime May 2015 #101

She's got the chops to fight the VRWC. ucrdem May 2015 #103

"HRC is the most favorable candidate running for the Democratic nomination. " NCTraveler May 2015 #104

Well, ok. tazkcmo May 2015 #107

Someone should be keeping an eye on me because.....I support R B Garr May 2015 #109

How does one determine who is the most "qualified" to be POTUS? The Velveteen Ocelot May 2015 #111

Dance off!! Bucky May 2015 #133

Well, she does have the most impressive resume KamaAina May 2015 #117

Hillary will be the next President of the Untied States! workinclasszero May 2015 #124

nobody gets my vote for pres DonCoquixote May 2015 #126

Nah, Bernie Sanders is far more qualified IMO. bobjacksonk2832 May 2015 #127

My argument is not with Hillary's lack of qualifications, Maedhros May 2015 #128

Agreed. Of course Nixon was more qualified than JFK; Ford more qualified than Carter Bucky May 2015 #131

Bullshit, Bernie has far more direct and accountable experience. TheKentuckian May 2015 #136

That's nice. But what's her opinion on TPP? davidn3600 May 2015 #153

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Nonsense. She can't even handle questions from the press. 99Forever May 2015 #165

Oh, yes, she is very scared. I would not bet on her being scared. Thinkingabout May 2015 #167

Last I heard, she was the most qualified human to run for President, EVER, in the history of this or Warren DeMontague May 2015 #171

She certainly is well qualified. Yorktown May 2015 #173

I have issues with her, but age isn't one of them. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #175

She may be qualified, but she's bad campaigner CanadaexPat May 2015 #176

. Autumn May 2015 #179

So were President Gore, Kerry and Dukakis n/t doc03 May 2015 #180

Clinton is already getting my money. McCamy Taylor May 2015 #182