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In reply to the discussion: "Incremental change" is a Third Way lie. [View all]BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)64. "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy.."
but because they are hard."
Here is how a president makes change happen: setting goals and pushing to achieve them. Not everyone was behind Kennedy. Many argued it was folly and a waste to even try. But the goal was reached within the timeframe he set even though he was assassinated. It was one of the great accomplishments of humankind.
Why can't we do great things anymore? Why do we sell ourselves so short that we think that problems have no solutions? Why do we let them lie to us? Why do we believe it?
I keep hearing that Obama couldn't have gotten a public option--which he campaigned on and won the election. The people gave him a Democratic Senate and House to enact his agenda. That's a mandate. And we're supposed to believe that three Senators stood in the way? Where was the speech where he took the case to the American people? He was getting enormous press in his first year. Where was the push where he called out members of his own party and called them liars and just doing it for the campaign cash? Where was it? He had the power and the popularity to do great things.
Here is how a president makes change happen: setting goals and pushing to achieve them. Not everyone was behind Kennedy. Many argued it was folly and a waste to even try. But the goal was reached within the timeframe he set even though he was assassinated. It was one of the great accomplishments of humankind.
The decision involved much consideration before making it public, as well as enormous human efforts and expenditures to make what became Project Apollo a reality by 1969. Only the construction of the Panama Canal in modern peacetime and the Manhattan Project in war were comparable in scope. NASA's overall human spaceflight efforts were guided by Kennedy's speech; Projects Mercury (at least in its latter stages), Gemini, and Apollo were designed to execute Kennedy's goal. His goal was achieved on July 20, 1969, when Apollo 11 commander Neil Armstrong stepped off the Lunar Module's ladder and onto the Moon's surface.
Why can't we do great things anymore? Why do we sell ourselves so short that we think that problems have no solutions? Why do we let them lie to us? Why do we believe it?
I keep hearing that Obama couldn't have gotten a public option--which he campaigned on and won the election. The people gave him a Democratic Senate and House to enact his agenda. That's a mandate. And we're supposed to believe that three Senators stood in the way? Where was the speech where he took the case to the American people? He was getting enormous press in his first year. Where was the push where he called out members of his own party and called them liars and just doing it for the campaign cash? Where was it? He had the power and the popularity to do great things.
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Who said a new president is enough to change the system?? No one I know believes
sabrina 1
May 2015
#118
it's not so much that we are conned, it's that by the general election our choice is down to getting
yurbud
May 2015
#24
So what happens to our incremental change/evolution when the eco-system collapses?
jalan48
May 2015
#53
wrong again, but I expect little in the way of facts from a BOG er in his twenties
Doctor_J
May 2015
#123
I think the Tories were begging our Founders for incremental change. "Please don't revolt"
rhett o rick
May 2015
#121
In 2008, we had a Majorities & a window throught which Single Payer could have been passed....
bvar22
May 2015
#132
when you say fan club… are referring to some DU'ers? Cause you then call the fan club
KittyWampus
May 2015
#33
And in the OP - fellating sheep. Way to insult friends and influence no one.
bettyellen
May 2015
#119
They stick the knife in you 9 inches, pull it out six, and tell you they just made your life better.
Ed Suspicious
May 2015
#39
It's all a game to you, isn't it - and it is important to blindly follow your "hero"
NRaleighLiberal
May 2015
#16
Yes, but most are only aware of how presidencies have responded to those social movements
BainsBane
May 2015
#57
Edit: Their mission is to turn the ECONOMIC polocies of the Democratic Party into the
LondonReign2
May 2015
#144
So, you'd be happier with no health care change if we couldn't get single-payer?
brooklynite
May 2015
#18
The con is that "we couldn't' get single-payer" - the WH never wanted to get it...
polichick
May 2015
#19
The delusion is that we could. You can't even outline a way it would have passed.
KittyWampus
May 2015
#37
You are absolutely correct. This man could have achieved anything. ANYTHING! Greatest mandate ever!
Enthusiast
May 2015
#149
Barack Obama banned health insurers from discriminating against pre-existing conditions,
Nye Bevan
May 2015
#25
incremental outcomes are acceptable IF you went balls to the wall for the ideal first
yurbud
May 2015
#26
And they can get away with this because it has been prearranged with the media to never mention
Enthusiast
May 2015
#156
yep. Except it is treated as unremarkable when Republicans pull out all the stops including
yurbud
May 2015
#161
Unfortunately, banks, corporations and wealthy individuals aren't "pragmatic incrementalists".
pa28
May 2015
#30
Unless you are a corporation who has lobbyists and a large donation to make or withhold
dreamnightwind
May 2015
#70
"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy.."
BrotherIvan
May 2015
#64
Amen: Look at the dramatic changes to this nation from the Patriot Act alone.
BrotherIvan
May 2015
#107
Never mind that Sanders, Warren, FDR and Kennedy all worked to effect change. Often incrementally.
riqster
May 2015
#86