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cali

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Mon May 11, 2015, 07:41 AM May 2015

Unpacking the ISDS: Why the ISDS actually is a threat to us here [View all]

The first in a series I'll post: I try not to make these posts too long as I suspect that long posts are too often not read in detail.

First let me stipulate that the US has never lost an ISDS case. 17 have been brought. The US has prevailed in 13. 4 are pending. The TPP will significantly increase the volume of cases because many more corporations will have the right to bring ISDS cases.


Let's begin with a brief history:

The first ISDS was included in a trade agreement between Pakistan and Germany in 1959 to protect investors from unfair government actions and a court system that couldn't be trusted to rule equitably. The U.S. has about 50 trade agreements with ISDS provisions.

The most common claim echoed here at DU is about how the ISDS is nothing to get upset about because the U.S. has never lost an ISDS case- as mentioned above

A nation's laws cannot be changed by ISDS: True. An ISDS tribunal cannot alter the laws of a nation. But they can order restitution- and these can be large. That in turn can and does place pressure on countries, states and municipalities to not pass laws that they fear will result in being challenged by an investor. Such rewards also place pressure on a government to repeal laws. The former has already happened. One example is that several countries have put off plain packaging for cigarettes due to the WTO ISDS cases Philip Morris brought against Australia and Uruguay:



In 2011, Australia passed a tobacco-control law to discourage smoking. It required cigarettes to be sold in plain packages with prominent warnings, with brand information relegated to the bottom of the box. Touted as “one of the most momentous public health measures in Australia’s history” by the country’s health minister, the law was meant to deter a habit that will ultimately kill 1.8 million current Australian smokers, according to a recent study. After the country’s highest court upheld the constitutionality of the anti-smoking law, tobacco giant Philip Morris claimed that it violated the company’s corporate rights and launched a suit using a little-known provision called investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS). The case is pending, as is a similar case against Uruguay. A similar tobacco-control measure in New Zealand is on hold pending the outcome of these cases.

How can this happen? In each case, Philip Morris is empowered to sue because of investment treaties. Many treaties and trade agreements enshrine the rights of corporations to claim that a country’s right to regulate public health interferes with profits and to sue states to protect them. And the cases, heard in special tribunals, often protect corporate profits at the expense of the health and welfare of citizens.

What’s happening in these cases should serve as a cautionary tale for Americans, as President Barack Obama’s administration pushes through the final stages of negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). The signature trade deal would open the United States to more suits just like these. Although the deal is being sold as a trade equalizer that would benefit U.S. citizens and companies, it could instead make it more difficult and more costly for the United States to protect its own people.

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http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/04/in-pro-corporate-tribunals-we-trust/



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K&R. Thank you for your efforts to educate DUers with real facts about the TPP riderinthestorm May 2015 #1
thank you so much rider. cali May 2015 #2
The Renco case... ((shudder)) Waiting for anyone to read that case and justify this nt riderinthestorm May 2015 #15
oh, I've seen that. cali May 2015 #17
Oligarchs protecting their own n/t MosheFeingold May 2015 #26
More and more, TPP is sounding like a lot of Art_from_Ark May 2015 #3
I'd love to see any of the folks here supporting this cali May 2015 #4
Yeah, there's someone here who claims that Bernie and Warren are "misrepresenting" TPP, Art_from_Ark May 2015 #5
It's the politcs of adoration. It's personality driven rather than policy driven cali May 2015 #16
I know, I get the "you are so angry" insult whenever I disparage corporations and their GMOs fasttense May 2015 #18
thanks. There is such a large body of evidence contradicting cali May 2015 #19
We all know the outcome to this game - mostly US lawyers working for foreign affiliates suing the US leveymg May 2015 #6
yep. they don't care if they lose. they still get a hefty payday cali May 2015 #7
A positive evil. Corporations will be able to deter labor and environmental laws leveymg May 2015 #34
so where are you tpp supporters? Never mind. I completely understand why you're avoiding cali May 2015 #8
K&R Scuba May 2015 #9
K&R SamKnause May 2015 #10
well, I'd say trade deals that are more harmful than beneficial cali May 2015 #11
Thanks cali. SamKnause May 2015 #12
I'm not arguing with you, but I'm sure you can understand cali May 2015 #13
I understand. SamKnause May 2015 #14
some noteworthy ISDS suits, and very high awards magical thyme May 2015 #20
Thanks for adding those. cali May 2015 #21
yup. from 50 in the 60s to more than 500 now. (very good link below) magical thyme May 2015 #24
hey, mt cali May 2015 #25
It's a monster waiting to crash our economy like it did before. fasttense May 2015 #22
thanks for adding that cali May 2015 #23
Alls I need to know, USA never lost one, and ISDS -- used since 1959 -- can't change our laws. Hoyt May 2015 #27
LOL. You have just demonstrated with great emphasis why your arguments cali May 2015 #29
I don't need links, your post said it. That's why I distilled it to one sentence. Hoyt May 2015 #31
actually, you do need links to evidence for your claims if you expect cali May 2015 #32
Have you read the Renco case? US corporation lead poisoning kids riderinthestorm May 2015 #36
Renco has been in arbitration for 4.5 years, and has gotten nowhere. They won't either. Hoyt May 2015 #38
The U.S. always "wins" these cases - remember? You've been proudly touting that fun fact riderinthestorm May 2015 #40
You need to reorient. Our government has never lost a case against USA. Our companies have lost Hoyt May 2015 #41
K & R historylovr May 2015 #28
thanks Cali for this tutorial. very helpful. bbgrunt May 2015 #30
thank. glad you find it helpful cali May 2015 #33
kick for the "trust the president on the tpp" folks. cali May 2015 #35
afternoon kick cali May 2015 #37
Let's Bern Em kick eloydude May 2015 #39
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