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19. thanks. There is such a large body of evidence contradicting

Mon May 11, 2015, 09:45 AM

May 2015

the claims of President Obama and supporters of the TPP. I try to post that evidence- even though much of is somewhat dry and technical. Much of constitutes a strong refutation of what the supporters claim, or poses questions that they have no answer for beyond "trust the President".

I don't post much in the way of "truth" about the tpp or tpa. I think truth is largely a subjective construct. I try to post facts and reasonable speculation rooted on those facts and history.

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Unpacking the ISDS: Why the ISDS actually is a threat to us here [View all] cali May 2015 OP

K&R. Thank you for your efforts to educate DUers with real facts about the TPP riderinthestorm May 2015 #1

thank you so much rider. cali May 2015 #2

The Renco case... ((shudder)) Waiting for anyone to read that case and justify this nt riderinthestorm May 2015 #15

oh, I've seen that. cali May 2015 #17

Oligarchs protecting their own n/t MosheFeingold May 2015 #26

More and more, TPP is sounding like a lot of Art_from_Ark May 2015 #3

I'd love to see any of the folks here supporting this cali May 2015 #4

Yeah, there's someone here who claims that Bernie and Warren are "misrepresenting" TPP, Art_from_Ark May 2015 #5

It's the politcs of adoration. It's personality driven rather than policy driven cali May 2015 #16

I know, I get the "you are so angry" insult whenever I disparage corporations and their GMOs fasttense May 2015 #18

thanks. There is such a large body of evidence contradicting cali May 2015 #19

We all know the outcome to this game - mostly US lawyers working for foreign affiliates suing the US leveymg May 2015 #6

yep. they don't care if they lose. they still get a hefty payday cali May 2015 #7

A positive evil. Corporations will be able to deter labor and environmental laws leveymg May 2015 #34

so where are you tpp supporters? Never mind. I completely understand why you're avoiding cali May 2015 #8

K&R Scuba May 2015 #9

K&R SamKnause May 2015 #10

well, I'd say trade deals that are more harmful than beneficial cali May 2015 #11

Thanks cali. SamKnause May 2015 #12

I'm not arguing with you, but I'm sure you can understand cali May 2015 #13

I understand. SamKnause May 2015 #14

some noteworthy ISDS suits, and very high awards magical thyme May 2015 #20

Thanks for adding those. cali May 2015 #21

yup. from 50 in the 60s to more than 500 now. (very good link below) magical thyme May 2015 #24

hey, mt cali May 2015 #25

It's a monster waiting to crash our economy like it did before. fasttense May 2015 #22

thanks for adding that cali May 2015 #23

Alls I need to know, USA never lost one, and ISDS -- used since 1959 -- can't change our laws. Hoyt May 2015 #27

LOL. You have just demonstrated with great emphasis why your arguments cali May 2015 #29

I don't need links, your post said it. That's why I distilled it to one sentence. Hoyt May 2015 #31

actually, you do need links to evidence for your claims if you expect cali May 2015 #32

Have you read the Renco case? US corporation lead poisoning kids riderinthestorm May 2015 #36

Renco has been in arbitration for 4.5 years, and has gotten nowhere. They won't either. Hoyt May 2015 #38

The U.S. always "wins" these cases - remember? You've been proudly touting that fun fact riderinthestorm May 2015 #40

You need to reorient. Our government has never lost a case against USA. Our companies have lost Hoyt May 2015 #41

K & R historylovr May 2015 #28

thanks Cali for this tutorial. very helpful. bbgrunt May 2015 #30

thank. glad you find it helpful cali May 2015 #33

kick for the "trust the president on the tpp" folks. cali May 2015 #35

afternoon kick cali May 2015 #37

Let's Bern Em kick eloydude May 2015 #39