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29. LOL. You have just demonstrated with great emphasis why your arguments

Mon May 11, 2015, 10:40 AM

May 2015

are so... scanty.

Let's parse your post, hoyt:

No, you can't change the laws through the ISDS. I stipulated that in the beginning of my op. that you missed it is no shock. As I indisputably showed, corporations can influence nations on the making of laws. and you ignore that because you can't argue it. There isn't any doubt that the PM Australia AND Uruguay cases have influenced other governments- they've said so themselves, hoyt.

You don't provide links to back up your declarations- not that "it's bunk" is anything but meaningless.

And just the fact that the PM case, as so many

you bluster a good game, but you don't seem to have enough ambition to research anything or make an actual argument.

Your anti-intellectual approach is making dismissing your "opinion" on this waaay too easy, hoyt.

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Thanks cali. SamKnause May 2015 #12

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I understand. SamKnause May 2015 #14

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It's a monster waiting to crash our economy like it did before. fasttense May 2015 #22

thanks for adding that cali May 2015 #23

Alls I need to know, USA never lost one, and ISDS -- used since 1959 -- can't change our laws. Hoyt May 2015 #27

LOL. You have just demonstrated with great emphasis why your arguments cali May 2015 #29

I don't need links, your post said it. That's why I distilled it to one sentence. Hoyt May 2015 #31

actually, you do need links to evidence for your claims if you expect cali May 2015 #32

Have you read the Renco case? US corporation lead poisoning kids riderinthestorm May 2015 #36

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You need to reorient. Our government has never lost a case against USA. Our companies have lost Hoyt May 2015 #41

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