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magical thyme

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58. 1. there is a first time for everything

Mon May 11, 2015, 10:52 AM

May 2015

2. just because *we* haven't lost yet does not make it right

Furthermore, this particular version of ISDS expands its reach and expands the power of the tribunals.

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Obama and the TPP: Poll #1 [View all] MannyGoldstein May 2015 OP

He fought for health care harder. hrmjustin May 2015 #1

That is the one. Rex May 2015 #2

slight revision ibegurpard May 2015 #3

My recollection is that most of that was behind the scenes deals MannyGoldstein May 2015 #4

He fought very hard for it in public. hrmjustin May 2015 #5

Not really. He didn't even bring up single-payer and he tossed the public option aside. cui bono May 2015 #19

He didn't campaign on single payer. joshcryer May 2015 #23

Agree. cui bono May 2015 #25

The talks were protested several times. joshcryer May 2015 #29

Precisely. PDittie May 2015 #34

I admit this fight may *seem* harder than his health insurance fight magical thyme May 2015 #55

He wheeled and dealed for mandated corporate health insurance. SMC22307 May 2015 #6

Like how he tirelessly lobbied Joe Liberman on the one vote needed for a public option? pa28 May 2015 #11

You believe lieberman? i don't! hrmjustin May 2015 #12

How about the New York Times then? pa28 May 2015 #14

Don't trust them either but you made your point. hrmjustin May 2015 #15

So is there some evidence to the contrary? Jim Lane May 2015 #21

Not just Lieberman, but any Senator who wasn't already on board??? Scuba May 2015 #36

Good point. Did he tell Blanche Lincoln he had his eye on the primary? Jim Lane May 2015 #50

^^^^^^^That right there^^^^^^^^^^ BrotherIvan May 2015 #16

Yes, thank you. I keep hearing we don't have a public option because Lieberman. pa28 May 2015 #18

I disagree. joshcryer May 2015 #22

Not against his own party, though Scootaloo May 2015 #27

not even close. Here: cali May 2015 #37

You are correct. If he had fought this hard for any progressive idea I would have been proud of him. GoneFishin May 2015 #56

He's never had so many Democrats misrepresenting the facts. Hoyt May 2015 #7

For their own gain? You are delusional if you believe that about them. cui bono May 2015 #20

Absolutely-- Warren and Sanders (and Brown) in the Senate Art_from_Ark May 2015 #46

Actually, Warren and Sanders are abssolutely right on the TPP. JDPriestly May 2015 #30

I simply believe it will he good for our future, not to mention other parts of the world. Hoyt May 2015 #32

How has NAFTA worked "long term"? BillZBubb May 2015 #53

You claim that Democrats like Warren and Sanders are "misrepresenting the facts" Art_from_Ark May 2015 #47

Other things? Usually he sent someone else out to fight for those. Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #8

I'd say he's discovered the bully pulpit in his fight for TPP fast track. pa28 May 2015 #9

I don't see him particularly "fighting" for TPP like he did for ACA Recursion May 2015 #10

That's a fair portrayal. joshcryer May 2015 #24

you think it's fair to call people who oppose the tpp "alarmists"? cali May 2015 #38

It's fair to say he's not fighting. joshcryer May 2015 #41

"alarmists"? Do you have any experience with, say, the NAFTA trade courts? JDPriestly May 2015 #31

The ones AFL-CIO keep winning against foreign governments in? Recursion May 2015 #33

This dispute resolution thing is such a red herring. joshcryer May 2015 #35

not really. do some research. You do know that the ISDS process doesn't just apply to cali May 2015 #39

Name one single ISDS case the US has lost. joshcryer May 2015 #40

One more time. I didn't claim any such thing- though there have been some cali May 2015 #44

I don't see a problem. joshcryer May 2015 #45

and... we are done. One liners. cali May 2015 #48

Sure, make it personal. joshcryer May 2015 #49

1. there is a first time for everything magical thyme May 2015 #58

IDSD has no appeals method for labor or governments to countersue magical thyme May 2015 #57

"ISDS" isn't a thing. It's a category of intl law. The question was about NAFTA Recursion May 2015 #59

the tread topic is TPP. The NAFTA question, which you didn't answer, was re: your hands on magical thyme May 2015 #60

and the ISDS process has been used successfully cali May 2015 #61

But you personally have no experience with them, do you? JDPriestly May 2015 #62

No though my wife has Recursion May 2015 #63

I have too. That's why I do not like the free trade agreements that set up special courts. JDPriestly May 2015 #64

So, how would you like treaties to be enforced then? Recursion May 2015 #65

Countries could sue each other. JDPriestly May 2015 #66

Calling Sen. Warren untruthful isn't fighting? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #43

Well, he did twist arms for Cronybus/DEregulating Wall Street, woo me with science May 2015 #13

I think he fights hard in campaigns BrotherIvan May 2015 #17

I find it very telling that you wrote "public" with "fighting." joshcryer May 2015 #26

I've only seen fighting about how hard he's fighting for it. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #28

His true colors are on full display. polichick May 2015 #42

Is GitMo still open for business? KansDem May 2015 #51

Calling Elizabeth Warren out is a ploy, as many of his moves are . n/t orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #52

And I hope she doubles down on her criticism of this bad deal. BillZBubb May 2015 #54