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marym625

(17,997 posts)
Mon May 11, 2015, 11:15 AM May 2015

Let's take the content of the TPP out of the equation for a moment [View all]

Let's pretend we know absolutely nothing about the TPP. That nothing has been leaked. That we don't know that corporations will actually have power over national law if a nation's law is detrimental to the corporation. That we don't know anything about how it will effect environmental law, currency, etc Just put it out of your mind

Let's consider just these things:

The treaty is secret. It is so secret that even being a member of Congress wasn't enough to give you clearance to read it. The treaty is secret to the press and the public. While Congress is allowed to read it (assumingly), they are not allowed to copy, take notes or share it in any way with the American people or the press.

Fast track allows for no changes or amendment. It's a straight up or down.

Fast track would cause the up or down vote to take place in 90 days. 90 days for a straight up or down vote on a treaty that has been negotiated for years. A very long treaty that would take well over 90 days to just examine, to learn possible repercussions to the American workforce, Unions, environment, banking regulations, international law, etc

The people in Congress that are against the TPP and TPA are, almost all, Democrats.
DeLauro, Miller Lead 151 House Dems Telling President They Will Not Support Outdated Fast Track For Trans-Pacific Partnership

http://delauro.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1455:delauro-miller-lead-151-house-dems-telling-president-they-will-not-support-outdated-fast-track-for-trans-pacific-partnership&Itemid=21

The people in Congress that are for the TPA and TPP are, almost all, Republicans.

Obama and Republicans Agree on the Trans-PacificPartnership … Unfortunately

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/opinion/obama-and-republicans-agree-on-the-trans-pacific-partnership-unfortunately.html?referrer=

Over 600 corporate advisers, which represents over 400 corporations, have access to and the ability to advise on, the TPP. However, unions, the American people and the press are not even allowed to see it. Even Congress has no part in the negotiations and, if the TPA passes, will have no ability to change anything, amend or even research with any real clarity

TPP Corporate Insiders

http://www.flushthetpp.org/tpp-corporate-insiders/

Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker, is pushing for the TPP. She is from one of the wealthiest families in the US. She is a corporate shill who has taken advantage of people in the hardest time, when S&L were closed.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/19/1210299/-Penny-Pritzker-as-an-example-of-the-criminality-of-our-elites

http://inthesetimes.com/article/14948/3_troubling_things_about_billionaire_penny_pritzker

Thr Nike corporation promise of 10,000 jobs over ten years is insulting. A company that size, that moved over 90% of US jobs out of the country after NAFTA, ensuring a measly 1000 jobs a year, is a joke. Considering what we don't know about pay because of the TPP, and no guarantee of Unions, this announcement almost makes the argument against the TPP stronger.

Why should the TPP have to be passed for a US company, that makes most of its profits in the US, to guarantee that few jobs?

We have gone from being the greatest nation to just mediocre. Not a leader but, instead, on a fast track to the bottom. The bottom in education, in quality of life, in work/life balance, in treatment of women, minorities, the poor, the middle class, children, hunger and humanity. Though not all of this is attributable NAFTA, some are.

We know the harm that NAFTA has done. Why would we blindly allow another secret trade agreement,

So, just using the things we know as an absolute, why would anyone want to pass the TPA or TPP?

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Brookings sums it up nicely -- Hoyt May 2015 #1
I thank you for this marym625 May 2015 #4
We won't blindly pass the agreement, you'll see it before Obama submits it to Congress, assuming he Hoyt May 2015 #11
I am not blindly assuming it's bad marym625 May 2015 #15
All Supposition And Conjecture - However, Real Americans Lived Through The Past Trade Agreements cantbeserious May 2015 #10
Real Americans know trade agreements are not responsible for our problems that Hoyt May 2015 #12
That's a ridiculous assertion marym625 May 2015 #16
Oh sure, let's let the "dumbed down people" (your term) run our agriculture, health, man- Hoyt May 2015 #18
But "socially conscious businesses" are illegal in the USA. By LAW every business' sole goal is $$$$ Vincardog May 2015 #21
You don't actually believe that, do you? I admit many take a short-term view, but Hoyt May 2015 #22
real Americans marym625 May 2015 #34
Has Brookings been able to read the agreement? drm604 May 2015 #32
Brookings reps are on the TPP advisory committees. They have a bunch of other articles too. Hoyt May 2015 #33
When we talk about how secret it was - we need to remember that it was NOT secret to business jwirr May 2015 #2
yep! marym625 May 2015 #5
Because we trust Daddy, obviously. malthaussen May 2015 #3
Well, I get a knew daddy marym625 May 2015 #6
There are some content-based reasons one might support the TPP... malthaussen May 2015 #8
none that I know about marym625 May 2015 #13
Well, we could have a conversation about that. malthaussen May 2015 #14
Too tired and busy right now marym625 May 2015 #17
good post. cali May 2015 #7
Great point marym625 May 2015 #9
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Thank you, marym625! Enthusiast May 2015 #19
Thank you marym625 May 2015 #25
USA not just mediocre--still on the downward slide to hell and 3rd world existence Demeter May 2015 #20
Precisely just look at the recent rail disasters swilton May 2015 #26
Very true marym625 May 2015 #27
K & R Omaha Steve May 2015 #23
Thank you! marym625 May 2015 #28
Very well thought out swilton May 2015 #24
Thank you marym625 May 2015 #29
That makes too much sense marym. Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #30
ha ha! marym625 May 2015 #31
Excellent post. I want to point out again as I have a lot, that no one has done this rhett o rick May 2015 #35
Thank you, Rhett. marym625 May 2015 #36
I fear that a lot of people don't understand rhetoric. If someone says they "firmly believe" it rhett o rick May 2015 #37
yep. marym625 May 2015 #38
Your premise that NAFTA harmed the US economy, while an article of faith here, just isn't true Recursion Jun 2015 #39
Yeah, Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #40
Thank you marym625 Jun 2015 #42
absolutely false. marym625 Jun 2015 #41
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