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96. Why are people so reflexively opposed to Hersh's story?

Mon May 11, 2015, 02:48 PM

May 2015

I'm only familiar with the rough outlines of his story, myself-- but none of it seemed shocking. I always assumed the official story was dressed up, rah-rah bullshit on some level. I mean, it was kind of an important event with complex political ramifications.

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The many problems with Seymour Hersh's Osama bin Laden conspiracy theory [View all] babylonsister May 2015 OP

Kick and rc. zappaman May 2015 #1

That seems to be an unfortunately common phenomenon these days. NuclearDem May 2015 #5

Glad to see that someone is keeping track of Opus Dei Orrex May 2015 #2

Up next from Hersh: Operation Texas Takeover! JaneyVee May 2015 #3

Do you think he can travel down there? Lot of heat, mosquitoes, people who read his books, OC mobs, freshwest May 2015 #6

Now that Abbott looks like the ass he made of himself he has gone into hiding on giving Thinkingabout May 2015 #27

Yeah, but Hollywood ain't what it used to be. Gotta indulge those fantasies somewhere! n/t freshwest May 2015 #4

DU rec...nt SidDithers May 2015 #7

I've read more than my fair share of how they got Osama. trumad May 2015 #8

Did you read Hersh's report? Which parts of it, there are a lot, lots of names mentioned sabrina 1 May 2015 #67

Them knowing about it before they said they knew about it. trumad May 2015 #78

Who 'knowing about it'? There were a lot of references to different people sabrina 1 May 2015 #89

"So what part of the report is 'bunk' as you call it?" EX500rider May 2015 #97

Here, let people read Seymour's story and decide for themselves whatchamacallit May 2015 #9

Make sure to tighten the foil before reading! Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #10

No need, but I'd advise you to remove your funnel before reflexively rejecting it whatchamacallit May 2015 #12

Nice self-poitrait... Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #75

That's you, pal n/t whatchamacallit May 2015 #85

Cool story! n/t Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #88

And if ya need a lawyer? Better Call Saul!!!! MADem May 2015 #17

Coincidence Theorists billhicks76 May 2015 #70

A point of clarification... vi5 May 2015 #87

You mean the stuff for which Hersh provided evidence, corroboration, and multiple sources? geek tragedy May 2015 #103

I think the Iraq War was the biggest clusterfuck that any Commander in Chief has visited upon our MADem May 2015 #101

Hersch Vindicated billhicks76 May 2015 #108

Your claim doesn't match their coverage. MADem May 2015 #113

New Info Today billhicks76 May 2015 #117

No one is taking this report seriously. MADem May 2015 #118

Reminds me of Cass Sunstein's advice to the US Govt. 'Always refer to those who may be sabrina 1 May 2015 #68

How's your liberal TV doctor, Sabrina? Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #74

And another unimpressive 'argument' against a most inconvenient story sabrina 1 May 2015 #77

I wouldn't know about Monsanto. Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #79

I prefer Hersh's own version of events, where he names names, and references sabrina 1 May 2015 #80

What the piss is a liberal Republican? Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #86

The man, Hersh, is way more credible than anyone I see here in this thread calling him sabrina 1 May 2015 #92

I asked why you were talking about so-called liberal republicans... Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #93

Labeling A Conspiracy Theorist Should Be Banned billhicks76 May 2015 #121

Yes, they can decide which of the following is true: geek tragedy May 2015 #11

Which White House version is the truth? whatchamacallit May 2015 #13

The core facts about it have remained consistent. Details get corrected, which happens all the time geek tragedy May 2015 #14

Same old fearful bullshit barrage whatchamacallit May 2015 #18

No, just bundle up everyone who buy into every unhinged conspiracy theory geek tragedy May 2015 #22

It's obvious you're drenched in pre-existing bias whatchamacallit May 2015 #28

Numerous people have reported seeing the bin laden photographs. geek tragedy May 2015 #30

There it is whatchamacallit May 2015 #35

You're berating those who question his reliance on a single, low-level, retired source geek tragedy May 2015 #37

How many times have you accepted government accounts based on whatchamacallit May 2015 #39

Nice dodge. Why should I trust some nameless, faceless low-level apparatchik geek tragedy May 2015 #40

It's his source whatchamacallit May 2015 #48

I reject it for the same reason I reject Islam and Christianity. geek tragedy May 2015 #49

Yeah, well thank god the government uses reliable sources whatchamacallit May 2015 #52

I'm not saying to believe everything the government tells you. geek tragedy May 2015 #56

We were lead into a disastrous war with that one whatchamacallit May 2015 #58

"a farrago of nonsense that is contravened by a multitude of eyewitness accounts, inconvenient facts geek tragedy May 2015 #61

The reason I don't trust the 'source' is because he's from Pakistan intel which blm May 2015 #50

That sounds a lot like a conspiracy theory n/t whatchamacallit May 2015 #55

Sounds like it, but, if you ever read BCCI report you'd know it isn't. blm May 2015 #60

Did you even read the link provided in this thread? Did you notice that one of the main sabrina 1 May 2015 #122

Since when does the govt release DNA? Or a body? 7962 May 2015 #45

There seems to be a lot of people coming out of the woodwork to debunk this story Mojorabbit May 2015 #82

Gotta live the magical conspiracy theory mindset--"the fact that people are debunking it geek tragedy May 2015 #90

Because you say so? Mojorabbit May 2015 #99

This is getting funnier and funnier. geek tragedy May 2015 #100

You got it. First principles. Joe Chi Minh May 2015 #114

Thanks, he was mocked for his revelations about Abu Ghraib too. So I prefer to read sabrina 1 May 2015 #43

This is not Hersh, though. Durrani's intel days closely align him with Poppy Bush. blm May 2015 #53

Durrani is only one part of Hersh's story.. Did you read it? sabrina 1 May 2015 #69

Sorry, sab1, but, this story is pushed by an old BFEE intel guy. blm May 2015 #72

I feel so sorry for that poor guy--he's in Pierre Salinger territory. MADem May 2015 #15

I think Mr Hersh was also present with Bill O'Malley... malthaussen May 2015 #16

What is it with these formerly respectable investigative reporters? Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #19

I think they feel the pressure of coming up with earth-shattering stuff and so they make it up or stevenleser May 2015 #41

Same reason some celebrities crash and burn, I suppose. randome May 2015 #65

They're only as good as their sources. Time passes. Other journalists get the info. KittyWampus May 2015 #42

Not them - their sources. blm May 2015 #76

Interesting that Max Fisher article ends with video of Cass Sunstein KoKo May 2015 #20

+1. nt OnyxCollie May 2015 #36

+1. Saw him interviewed this morning and even that brief exchange seemed full of holes. pinto May 2015 #21

Seems like journalism's fire slow burn into nothing sphere Iliyah May 2015 #23

Nice try. His track record for digging out the buried facts and his willingness to report GoneFishin May 2015 #24

There are no facts being reported. Hersh doesn't present a single fact. geek tragedy May 2015 #25

Ha! So babylonsister May 2015 #26

And for all we know, his sources may be General Petraeus. KittyWampus May 2015 #44

That's an interesting defense - it seems like to you the Truth doesn't matter el_bryanto May 2015 #33

Like the FACT that Durrani's intel days align him with GHWBush's cronies doesn't merit blm May 2015 #57

Nice swarm you have organized here. So much ignorance assembled in one place. Impressive. GoneFishin May 2015 #94

As bin Laden is still dead after all this - I really don't care. DinahMoeHum May 2015 #29

Agreed. The bottom line: Meh. n/t pnwmom May 2015 #32

HA! 7962 May 2015 #59

No, Bin Laden is alive and living with Elvis and Generalissimo Francisco Franco ... kwassa May 2015 #84

I don't like the Marblehead May 2015 #31

What, exactly, was "faked" about that picture? An admitted by whom? 7962 May 2015 #63

Sy Hersch has more credibility than Max Fisher. [n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #34

How much credibility does: geek tragedy May 2015 #38

It's Durrani's tale. When do we trust any intel figure aligned w/GHWBush? blm May 2015 #62

Damn. Lots of butthurt in this thread. babylonsister May 2015 #46

Skepticism is healthy. OnyxCollie May 2015 #51

Oh, I'm skeptical. Maedhros May 2015 #66

+1000 Mojorabbit May 2015 #102

No, he doesn't. Cha May 2015 #110

If Osama bin Laden were still alive, why doesn't he say so? tclambert May 2015 #47

Where is Hersch alleging that Bin Laden is still alive? Or anyone else? 7962 May 2015 #64

Did I misunderstand? He said everything about the raid was a lie. tclambert May 2015 #73

See, I felt the same. Even if his story is true, its not some bombshell. 7962 May 2015 #81

Why did the Bush Administration let OBL escape Iliyah May 2015 #54

Even if the story is 100% true Calista241 May 2015 #71

I'm still waiting for him to retract that bullshit Syria story Blue_Tires May 2015 #83

hersch was very accurate about what happened in the world while Stupid was president Doctor_J May 2015 #91

Yeah. But that was when his reporting reflected badly on the other team ... I mean Republicans. GoneFishin May 2015 #95

Why are people so reflexively opposed to Hersh's story? Marr May 2015 #96

take a wild guess Doctor_J May 2015 #98

AGAIN Doctor_J... BINGO! n/t ChiciB1 May 2015 #116

Cuz it's not backed by eyewitnesses, videos, photos, facts... zappaman May 2015 #105

Surprise! Thanks! nt babylonsister May 2015 #107

Kick! zappaman May 2015 #104

I read his piece with interest Dem2 May 2015 #106

"The story simply does not hold up to scrutiny — and, sadly, is in line with Hersh's recent turn Cha May 2015 #109

R#46 & K n/t UTUSN May 2015 #111

I wasn't all that thrilled with the Abu Ghraib story, for that matter. Damansarajaya May 2015 #112

Saw This Coming A Mile Away... ChiciB1 May 2015 #115

Hersh used to be a good investigative reporter.. something happned along the way. Cha May 2015 #119

He sold his behind to the neocon establishment years ago IkeRepublican May 2015 #120

Wow.. good to know.. thanks Ike Cha May 2015 #127

New York Times correspondent Carlotta Gall writes that Hersh's story Maedhros May 2015 #123

Another person stepping forward with corroborating information that supports Hersh. Maedhros May 2015 #124

Hersh struck a big nerve. Hence all the sleazy presstitutes lining up to bash him in the MSM pauldp May 2015 #125

What I find frustrating is the number of people here on DU, Maedhros May 2015 #126