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101. I think the Iraq War was the biggest clusterfuck that any Commander in Chief has visited upon our

Mon May 11, 2015, 04:23 PM

May 2015

nation and the world, EVER. I think it will reverberate for at least a generation, maybe more. People continue to die from that pisspoor decision.

That's what I think of the Iraq War.

So, this dramatic "word" that you are hearing on "other progressive (?) websites" notwithstanding, I could hardly be placed in the "Iraq War supporters" column, no matter how hard you or anyone else might try .... and I still think Hersh is a loonytune. His narrative doesn't involve "minor differences." It is a completely fabricated load of horse poop, ostensibly fed to him by a "retired" official with no nexus to the actual events. One has to wonder if he's talking to people who are not actually there. This is not the first time he's made shit up and been shown to be bullshitting. All of this is recent, too--it's suggestive of an issue.

I feel sorry for him--he is decimating his legacy with this woowoo shit.

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The many problems with Seymour Hersh's Osama bin Laden conspiracy theory [View all] babylonsister May 2015 OP

Kick and rc. zappaman May 2015 #1

That seems to be an unfortunately common phenomenon these days. NuclearDem May 2015 #5

Glad to see that someone is keeping track of Opus Dei Orrex May 2015 #2

Up next from Hersh: Operation Texas Takeover! JaneyVee May 2015 #3

Do you think he can travel down there? Lot of heat, mosquitoes, people who read his books, OC mobs, freshwest May 2015 #6

Now that Abbott looks like the ass he made of himself he has gone into hiding on giving Thinkingabout May 2015 #27

Yeah, but Hollywood ain't what it used to be. Gotta indulge those fantasies somewhere! n/t freshwest May 2015 #4

DU rec...nt SidDithers May 2015 #7

I've read more than my fair share of how they got Osama. trumad May 2015 #8

Did you read Hersh's report? Which parts of it, there are a lot, lots of names mentioned sabrina 1 May 2015 #67

Them knowing about it before they said they knew about it. trumad May 2015 #78

Who 'knowing about it'? There were a lot of references to different people sabrina 1 May 2015 #89

"So what part of the report is 'bunk' as you call it?" EX500rider May 2015 #97

Here, let people read Seymour's story and decide for themselves whatchamacallit May 2015 #9

Make sure to tighten the foil before reading! Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #10

No need, but I'd advise you to remove your funnel before reflexively rejecting it whatchamacallit May 2015 #12

Nice self-poitrait... Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #75

That's you, pal n/t whatchamacallit May 2015 #85

Cool story! n/t Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #88

And if ya need a lawyer? Better Call Saul!!!! MADem May 2015 #17

Coincidence Theorists billhicks76 May 2015 #70

A point of clarification... vi5 May 2015 #87

You mean the stuff for which Hersh provided evidence, corroboration, and multiple sources? geek tragedy May 2015 #103

I think the Iraq War was the biggest clusterfuck that any Commander in Chief has visited upon our MADem May 2015 #101

Hersch Vindicated billhicks76 May 2015 #108

Your claim doesn't match their coverage. MADem May 2015 #113

New Info Today billhicks76 May 2015 #117

No one is taking this report seriously. MADem May 2015 #118

Reminds me of Cass Sunstein's advice to the US Govt. 'Always refer to those who may be sabrina 1 May 2015 #68

How's your liberal TV doctor, Sabrina? Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #74

And another unimpressive 'argument' against a most inconvenient story sabrina 1 May 2015 #77

I wouldn't know about Monsanto. Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #79

I prefer Hersh's own version of events, where he names names, and references sabrina 1 May 2015 #80

What the piss is a liberal Republican? Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #86

The man, Hersh, is way more credible than anyone I see here in this thread calling him sabrina 1 May 2015 #92

I asked why you were talking about so-called liberal republicans... Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #93

Labeling A Conspiracy Theorist Should Be Banned billhicks76 May 2015 #121

Yes, they can decide which of the following is true: geek tragedy May 2015 #11

Which White House version is the truth? whatchamacallit May 2015 #13

The core facts about it have remained consistent. Details get corrected, which happens all the time geek tragedy May 2015 #14

Same old fearful bullshit barrage whatchamacallit May 2015 #18

No, just bundle up everyone who buy into every unhinged conspiracy theory geek tragedy May 2015 #22

It's obvious you're drenched in pre-existing bias whatchamacallit May 2015 #28

Numerous people have reported seeing the bin laden photographs. geek tragedy May 2015 #30

There it is whatchamacallit May 2015 #35

You're berating those who question his reliance on a single, low-level, retired source geek tragedy May 2015 #37

How many times have you accepted government accounts based on whatchamacallit May 2015 #39

Nice dodge. Why should I trust some nameless, faceless low-level apparatchik geek tragedy May 2015 #40

It's his source whatchamacallit May 2015 #48

I reject it for the same reason I reject Islam and Christianity. geek tragedy May 2015 #49

Yeah, well thank god the government uses reliable sources whatchamacallit May 2015 #52

I'm not saying to believe everything the government tells you. geek tragedy May 2015 #56

We were lead into a disastrous war with that one whatchamacallit May 2015 #58

"a farrago of nonsense that is contravened by a multitude of eyewitness accounts, inconvenient facts geek tragedy May 2015 #61

The reason I don't trust the 'source' is because he's from Pakistan intel which blm May 2015 #50

That sounds a lot like a conspiracy theory n/t whatchamacallit May 2015 #55

Sounds like it, but, if you ever read BCCI report you'd know it isn't. blm May 2015 #60

Did you even read the link provided in this thread? Did you notice that one of the main sabrina 1 May 2015 #122

Since when does the govt release DNA? Or a body? 7962 May 2015 #45

There seems to be a lot of people coming out of the woodwork to debunk this story Mojorabbit May 2015 #82

Gotta live the magical conspiracy theory mindset--"the fact that people are debunking it geek tragedy May 2015 #90

Because you say so? Mojorabbit May 2015 #99

This is getting funnier and funnier. geek tragedy May 2015 #100

You got it. First principles. Joe Chi Minh May 2015 #114

Thanks, he was mocked for his revelations about Abu Ghraib too. So I prefer to read sabrina 1 May 2015 #43

This is not Hersh, though. Durrani's intel days closely align him with Poppy Bush. blm May 2015 #53

Durrani is only one part of Hersh's story.. Did you read it? sabrina 1 May 2015 #69

Sorry, sab1, but, this story is pushed by an old BFEE intel guy. blm May 2015 #72

I feel so sorry for that poor guy--he's in Pierre Salinger territory. MADem May 2015 #15

I think Mr Hersh was also present with Bill O'Malley... malthaussen May 2015 #16

What is it with these formerly respectable investigative reporters? Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #19

I think they feel the pressure of coming up with earth-shattering stuff and so they make it up or stevenleser May 2015 #41

Same reason some celebrities crash and burn, I suppose. randome May 2015 #65

They're only as good as their sources. Time passes. Other journalists get the info. KittyWampus May 2015 #42

Not them - their sources. blm May 2015 #76

Interesting that Max Fisher article ends with video of Cass Sunstein KoKo May 2015 #20

+1. nt OnyxCollie May 2015 #36

+1. Saw him interviewed this morning and even that brief exchange seemed full of holes. pinto May 2015 #21

Seems like journalism's fire slow burn into nothing sphere Iliyah May 2015 #23

Nice try. His track record for digging out the buried facts and his willingness to report GoneFishin May 2015 #24

There are no facts being reported. Hersh doesn't present a single fact. geek tragedy May 2015 #25

Ha! So babylonsister May 2015 #26

And for all we know, his sources may be General Petraeus. KittyWampus May 2015 #44

That's an interesting defense - it seems like to you the Truth doesn't matter el_bryanto May 2015 #33

Like the FACT that Durrani's intel days align him with GHWBush's cronies doesn't merit blm May 2015 #57

Nice swarm you have organized here. So much ignorance assembled in one place. Impressive. GoneFishin May 2015 #94

As bin Laden is still dead after all this - I really don't care. DinahMoeHum May 2015 #29

Agreed. The bottom line: Meh. n/t pnwmom May 2015 #32

HA! 7962 May 2015 #59

No, Bin Laden is alive and living with Elvis and Generalissimo Francisco Franco ... kwassa May 2015 #84

I don't like the Marblehead May 2015 #31

What, exactly, was "faked" about that picture? An admitted by whom? 7962 May 2015 #63

Sy Hersch has more credibility than Max Fisher. [n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #34

How much credibility does: geek tragedy May 2015 #38

It's Durrani's tale. When do we trust any intel figure aligned w/GHWBush? blm May 2015 #62

Damn. Lots of butthurt in this thread. babylonsister May 2015 #46

Skepticism is healthy. OnyxCollie May 2015 #51

Oh, I'm skeptical. Maedhros May 2015 #66

+1000 Mojorabbit May 2015 #102

No, he doesn't. Cha May 2015 #110

If Osama bin Laden were still alive, why doesn't he say so? tclambert May 2015 #47

Where is Hersch alleging that Bin Laden is still alive? Or anyone else? 7962 May 2015 #64

Did I misunderstand? He said everything about the raid was a lie. tclambert May 2015 #73

See, I felt the same. Even if his story is true, its not some bombshell. 7962 May 2015 #81

Why did the Bush Administration let OBL escape Iliyah May 2015 #54

Even if the story is 100% true Calista241 May 2015 #71

I'm still waiting for him to retract that bullshit Syria story Blue_Tires May 2015 #83

hersch was very accurate about what happened in the world while Stupid was president Doctor_J May 2015 #91

Yeah. But that was when his reporting reflected badly on the other team ... I mean Republicans. GoneFishin May 2015 #95

Why are people so reflexively opposed to Hersh's story? Marr May 2015 #96

take a wild guess Doctor_J May 2015 #98

AGAIN Doctor_J... BINGO! n/t ChiciB1 May 2015 #116

Cuz it's not backed by eyewitnesses, videos, photos, facts... zappaman May 2015 #105

Surprise! Thanks! nt babylonsister May 2015 #107

Kick! zappaman May 2015 #104

I read his piece with interest Dem2 May 2015 #106

"The story simply does not hold up to scrutiny � and, sadly, is in line with Hersh's recent turn Cha May 2015 #109

R#46 & K n/t UTUSN May 2015 #111

I wasn't all that thrilled with the Abu Ghraib story, for that matter. Damansarajaya May 2015 #112

Saw This Coming A Mile Away... ChiciB1 May 2015 #115

Hersh used to be a good investigative reporter.. something happned along the way. Cha May 2015 #119

He sold his behind to the neocon establishment years ago IkeRepublican May 2015 #120

Wow.. good to know.. thanks Ike Cha May 2015 #127

New York Times correspondent Carlotta Gall writes that Hersh's story Maedhros May 2015 #123

Another person stepping forward with corroborating information that supports Hersh. Maedhros May 2015 #124

Hersh struck a big nerve. Hence all the sleazy presstitutes lining up to bash him in the MSM pauldp May 2015 #125

What I find frustrating is the number of people here on DU, Maedhros May 2015 #126