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hay rick

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138. Saw a bumper sticker today.

Mon May 11, 2015, 06:53 PM

May 2015

It said: Voted for Obama? Thanks, asshole.

Whoever the Dems put up for president will be vilified. Hillary is drawing special attention now because she is the frontrunner. If Sanders or someone else wins the nomination they will quickly surpass Hillary as an object of hatred.

I support Bernie. Obviously, Bernie's politics are closer to Grayson's than Murphy's. My support for Murphy is based on my belief that he can beat almost any Republican opponent, including RUBIO. I also believe that Grayson will lose to almost any Republican who isn't caught on tape having sex with a goat. I wish I could believe otherwise. I see the politics, the man, and the campaign as separate entities and I think it's foolish to fall in love with one and pretend the other two will go away.

For what it's worth, I think Murphy's politics may become more palatable over time. Early in his first term he sponsored budget workshops that used a Concord Coalition workbook (Pete Peterson). Now he has signed on to raising the cap. He also recently signed the congressional letter opposing fast track for TPP.

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Why is the party scared of Alan Grayson? [View all] nashville_brook May 2015 OP

Simple - Oligarchs Don't Want The Proles To Wake Up cantbeserious May 2015 #1

makes them nervous. nashville_brook May 2015 #9

You Nailed it!!! Wellstone ruled May 2015 #45

I believe you are correct. Enthusiast May 2015 #53

Because he tells the TRUTH in a plain and frequently humorous manner? whathehell May 2015 #2

Blunt truth upsets the LWolf May 2015 #3

Would love to see Mr. Grayson in the senate. /nt think May 2015 #4

he belongs in "the deliberative body" -- it's what he's born to do. nashville_brook May 2015 #5

I agree Grayson does belong in the Senate.. eloydude May 2015 #8

this is a must read --> Are Democratic Leaders "Tea Partying" The Progressives? nashville_brook May 2015 #10

I'm not at all sure of my ground here because I seldom watch TV, but Jackpine Radical May 2015 #27

I believe you're right. Faux liberals on Fux news. The Medium is the Message, unfortunately. erronis May 2015 #33

There was some old social-science research on opinion change, iirc, Jackpine Radical May 2015 #35

this used to be very evident on Crossfire. nashville_brook May 2015 #49

Yep, he was hired to play the role of Liberal Strawman. arcane1 May 2015 #52

who's our conservative strawman equivalent? Michael Steele? nashville_brook May 2015 #55

CNN used to have a similar program Art_from_Ark May 2015 #115

"Bernies Mighty Roar" madokie May 2015 #77

. Brother Buzz May 2015 #6

Corporate Media shapes the argument before it even hits our ears... Cooley Hurd May 2015 #7

I live in Florida, and I will not vote for Patrick Murphy. djean111 May 2015 #11

Alan grayson AC_Mem May 2015 #82

the best ways to donate in Orlando are directly to the candidates you love nashville_brook May 2015 #100

I agree with other's fredamae May 2015 #12

Have-nots unite! dreamnightwind May 2015 #117

he speaks a language that's recognizable to regular people nashville_brook May 2015 #122

Very good question. CharlotteVale May 2015 #13

Alan Grayson has some serious issues that won't play well with voters. Consider his remarks okaawhatever May 2015 #14

you've articulated perfectly the attack platform the party has laid out. nashville_brook May 2015 #15

Grayson was really coming up fast & great! esp. speaking out on heathcare on the House appalachiablue May 2015 #41

...! KoKo May 2015 #127

Thank goodness Hillary's pay-to-play State Dept., records misconduct, and marital problems whereisjustice May 2015 #20

No, it's that most Democrats realize Hillary didn't have a pay-to-play State Dept., there isn't okaawhatever May 2015 #22

$300,000 a speech buys a lot of influence doesn't it? Of course that's the discount rate. How was whereisjustice May 2015 #96

So the Rolling Stones are indebtted to the coliseum where they perform because they get paid okaawhatever May 2015 #103

"your b.s. about the DNC kissing Wall Street's ass is fucking precious" -- i'd alert on this, but nashville_brook May 2015 #123

You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? naoya6161 May 2015 #141

There is a legitimate question whether Grayson can win statewide. iandhr May 2015 #16

theres an even more legitimate question whether Murphy can win statewide. nashville_brook May 2015 #17

Murphy got rid of Allen West... iandhr May 2015 #18

Murphy WAS a Republican, right up until he challenged West. So he fit right in. djean111 May 2015 #26

Would you vote for Elizabeth Warren? nt okaawhatever May 2015 #38

Warren did not switch parties just to grab a seat. djean111 May 2015 #40

I don't like Murphy as a candidate, but I do understand why many former Republicans okaawhatever May 2015 #47

Oh, Murphy doesn't want to be a Democrat, he wants the Democratic Party to be Republican. djean111 May 2015 #50

Thanks for the info. I didn't realize he was that bad. I think I like him mainly because he spared okaawhatever May 2015 #54

Lot of blind hatred for Murphy there naoya6161 May 2015 #61

That's because he's one of the worst Democrats in Congress and his "conversions" TeamPooka May 2015 #64

his intent was to force THE GRAND BARGAIN on Social Security nashville_brook May 2015 #69

Are you sure about that? naoya6161 May 2015 #71

you want to just call me on my cell? nashville_brook May 2015 #76

My my naoya6161 May 2015 #78

thanks for following me over from The Florida Squeeze! nashville_brook May 2015 #75

Welcome to DU gopiscrap May 2015 #84

Not blind at all. And he is perfectly okay with cutting Social Security. djean111 May 2015 #130

No proof naoya6161 May 2015 #136

Yes. It's not Republicans coming to the Dems. DirkGently May 2015 #126

Exactly. Exactly. djean111 May 2015 #129

Too many Republicans in the fundraising circles? DirkGently May 2015 #19

And what about the big Democratic party donor who is Grayson's friend and attorney who has okaawhatever May 2015 #24

Yikes. So you're down with going after Grayson personally? DirkGently May 2015 #30

It isn't ONE donor. It's a big donor who is also his good friend and lawyer. Why are you okaawhatever May 2015 #31

if ONE DONOR can veto a campaign, that's wrong. nashville_brook May 2015 #57

I'm not saying one voter can veto a campaign. What I continue to say, and everyone fails to okaawhatever May 2015 #62

i read the POLITICO article too. everyone knows John Morgan's position. nashville_brook May 2015 #81

The Democratic Party acts like they need Wall Street's PERMISSION. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #21

There's a simple reason for that. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #28

I believe it's because they're running away from the charge that they're commies. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #32

Running all the way to fascism. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #37

They're proud of the idea that they can make the rich richer than Republicans. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #48

there' Dems in this thread who believe that not only Wall Street, but any big donor nashville_brook May 2015 #72

mmmm, he's to the left of Dwight Eisenhower? Eleanors38 May 2015 #23

Florida has BEEN TOTALLY OWNED by the oligarchs for the last 25 years or so lark May 2015 #25

i grew up in a much different Florida nashville_brook May 2015 #51

Seems to me the state Democratic party is non-existent. lark May 2015 #140

Give us a good one and we can. naoya6161 May 2015 #142

Why would you say that about Grayson? lark May 2015 #144

I dont like him because he's as big an ass as the Tea Partiers 7962 May 2015 #29

"used insulting terms" trumad May 2015 #36

So you're one of those "my team right or wrong" folks, huh? 7962 May 2015 #39

He's my Congressman. trumad May 2015 #58

this is what i'm saying in the post -- there's people in our own party who'd rather nashville_brook May 2015 #79

It's more than insulting terms, and it's done in a way that is driving away voters: okaawhatever May 2015 #43

Whaaaa trumad May 2015 #59

i KNOW! crazy, right? nashville_brook May 2015 #60

Yeah, really stupid of Grayson naoya6161 May 2015 #63

In a gerrymandered district. trumad May 2015 #67

Wrong naoya6161 May 2015 #74

Maybe using the image of Klansmen is okay with you, but it is deeply offensive okaawhatever May 2015 #65

oh i don't know, how is pushing the TPP on us good politics for Obama? nashville_brook May 2015 #70

what are you referring to? nashville_brook May 2015 #56

There were several inappropriate and offensive ads: okaawhatever May 2015 #66

you're literally upset on the Tea Party's behalf. bwahahahahaaaha. nashville_brook May 2015 #68

He also used an ad that was clipped to make it a lie. 7962 May 2015 #95

I back policy. i could care less about advertising. nashville_brook May 2015 #98

You may not care... naoya6161 May 2015 #102

and that'll just be Grayson's decision -- when the party attacks, i'll be there to call them out. nashville_brook May 2015 #120

Fear of competence Demeter May 2015 #34

That's why they're spinning so furiously... nashville_brook May 2015 #73

"Insiders" don't listen to "outsiders." DirkGently May 2015 #124

Is this the guy... OilemFirchen May 2015 #42

Wait. You mean when he attacked the Republican's "Die quickly" plan? DirkGently May 2015 #128

Off base? Me? Of course not. OilemFirchen May 2015 #133

It really is about l vs 99%, Occupy had it right, we are slow to realize how powerful the meaning of mother earth May 2015 #44

here's a great example of why people love Alan Grayson... nashville_brook May 2015 #89

Absolutely, Grayson is one of our best, and I agree about O'Rourke, he is so sickening to listen mother earth May 2015 #90

i think they use PJ b/c he's a weak adversary...as mentioned above nashville_brook May 2015 #93

Is the purpose of this thread to vent against "The Party Bosses" or do you want an answer? brooklynite May 2015 #46

Same reason it was/is scared of Howard Dean: elleng May 2015 #80

I agree, they marginalize them quickly, the Dean scream, 1-2 punch to a fast rising star with solid mother earth May 2015 #91

Him and Bernie could turn this MESS around . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #83

i can easily see a slate of progressive candidates running nationwide, nashville_brook May 2015 #87

He speaks truth to power CanonRay May 2015 #85

Scared? NaturalHigh May 2015 #86

Compare the compensation for serving office versus being a lobbyist once you leave GoneFishin May 2015 #88

Well said, it is truly kabuki theater...money trumps all. I think your reply nails it. nt mother earth May 2015 #92

++ Power hates democracy. Grayson doesn't play ball. DirkGently May 2015 #125

don't they get the same amount of money for a candidate, if they win or lose? MisterP May 2015 #94

there's a game that goes on with networking and who is who's bestie nashville_brook May 2015 #97

they've repeatedly shown they'd rather have a conservadem who's behind in the polls than an electabl MisterP May 2015 #107

unless the strategy is simply to keep progressives from advancing to higher office. nashville_brook May 2015 #112

How much richer is Tester since he went to Washington? How would I find that out? nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2015 #99

keeping Ashley Judd out kept McConnell in reddread May 2015 #101

same numbskulls who thought it was a bad idea for Grimes to say she'd voted for Obama nashville_brook May 2015 #121

That was so infuriating. DirkGently May 2015 #131

One of the best pieces I've seen written here Depaysement May 2015 #104

You have to crawl before you can walk. hay rick May 2015 #105

Hillary is the biggest easy target for Rs. party machinery isn't afraid of that. nashville_brook May 2015 #110

Sorry but Hillary != Grayson naoya6161 May 2015 #111

Do you disagree that no one riles Rs like the Clintons? nashville_brook May 2015 #113

One word: OBAMA naoya6161 May 2015 #114

you can't answer the question, can you. nashville_brook May 2015 #119

Already did naoya6161 May 2015 #135

Saw a bumper sticker today. hay rick May 2015 #138

Because They Are Afraid Of Truth-Tellers... BOTH Parties... WillyT May 2015 #106

Can't have the flow of money disrupted. JEB May 2015 #108

Grayson is a pretty polarizing figure. BlueStater May 2015 #109

Because he's lost elections in FL as often as he's won them? (nt) Recursion May 2015 #116

Because the money is. n/t Orsino May 2015 #118

I respect Representative Alan Grayson. SamKnause May 2015 #132

precisely. nashville_brook May 2015 #134

Only one person thinks the party is scared of Grayson. NCTraveler May 2015 #137

Florida Democratic Party is a fucking joke. Daniel537 May 2015 #139

Based on what knowledge? naoya6161 May 2015 #143