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emulatorloo

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51. Are you able to converse without being nasty and divisive?

Wed May 9, 2012, 04:55 PM

May 2012

I will reiterate what I said below and add a few things.

Obama is the first sitting president to endorse marriage equality. That is historic, and a big deal despite efforts of a handful of DU'ers to attempt to diminish it.

As to Obama's ACTIONS, despite the endlessly promoted "cynicism" of fellow DU'ers, Obama was able to get DADT repealed.

Additionally, the Justice Department is no longer enforcing DOMA. Next step will be the repeal of DOMA, as long as Romney does not get elected and the Congress is not under Republican control.

So forgive me if I am cynical about "DU cynicism" about Obama and gay rights issues - it doesn't have a very good track record.

Meanwhile in RomneyLand:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125136117
Mitt Romney Reiterates Opposition To Gay Marriage And Civil Unions

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Yeah, I know it's only been an hour or so, but does he just think it or [View all] Lionessa May 2012 OP

congrats, you have the first cynical thread complaining about what should be celebrated. dionysus May 2012 #1

Thanks, dion. elleng May 2012 #2

you're most welcome dionysus May 2012 #3

Can you understand the cynicism? EOTE May 2012 #5

Do the motivations really matter? treestar May 2012 #15

Yes, of course the motivations matter. EOTE May 2012 #22

I trust you'll be voting for him in November cali May 2012 #24

OK. Trust all you'd like. EOTE May 2012 #26

so what does he have to do? cali May 2012 #27

Well, a good start would be to make good on his promise with regard to MMJ. EOTE May 2012 #29

Jeezus, why assume I'm going to say something? Hold onto your horses cali May 2012 #39

Wait, you ask me what he can do to earn my vote and then insult me? EOTE May 2012 #43

His ACTIONS got DADT repealed and stopped the enforcement of DOMA emulatorloo May 2012 #54

And what actions were those? EOTE May 2012 #63

A president cannot overturn a law -- only Congress can do that. AtomicKitten May 2012 #79

Thank you for facts nt SunsetDreams May 2012 #82

You don't want facts, you just want words that back up your emotions. EOTE May 2012 #87

In that case here have an emoticon SunsetDreams May 2012 #113

Wow, substantial! NT EOTE May 2012 #114

It was declared unconstitutional. EOTE May 2012 #86

He made sure the law was gone PERMANENTLY. AtomicKitten May 2012 #91

No, it was declared unconstitutional. EOTE May 2012 #97

It was declared unconstitutional in a district court if I recall treestar May 2012 #162

EOs don't repeal laws. Read the Youngstown decision. nt msanthrope May 2012 #137

Where did he say "I refuse to overturn DADT"? SunsetDreams May 2012 #80

He said that he didn't support it, he called for its repeal, it was declared unconstitutional. EOTE May 2012 #85

Ahhh I see SunsetDreams May 2012 #88

No, especially not considering that it was declared unconstitutional. EOTE May 2012 #90

Again are you referring to an EO? SunsetDreams May 2012 #99

Presidents can NOT enact laws which are unconstitutional. EOTE May 2012 #103

Did the Supremes rule it unconstitutional? No, it was a lower court ruling. AtomicKitten May 2012 #106

There would have been NOTHING preventing the administration from solidifying the repeal after an EO. EOTE May 2012 #109

You're wrong. It would be appealed all the way to the Supremes. AtomicKitten May 2012 #121

You do the happy dance all you'd like. EOTE May 2012 #182

Bullshit--EOs don't repeal laws. Please don't use politcal pundits for legal analysis. nt msanthrope May 2012 #139

"Codifying the repeal of DADTafter such an EO...." cliffordu May 2012 #169

LOL Mr Dixon May 2012 #154

That's got nothing to do with marriage equality, which the thread is about treestar May 2012 #161

Threadjack much?? cliffordu May 2012 #170

It's about every time Obama has used rhetoric in exchange for actual action. EOTE May 2012 #180

What actions? treestar May 2012 #160

Exactly, what actions? EOTE May 2012 #181

What did he promise here? treestar May 2012 #184

I don't expect him to make it his only issue. EOTE May 2012 #191

You mean like DADT??? Yep, he stands where he stands. cliffordu May 2012 #167

I understand that some DU'ers like throwing wet blankets on any positive news emulatorloo May 2012 #20

Do you have anything substantial to add, or just want to throw out fluff? EOTE May 2012 #25

Are you able to converse without being nasty and divisive? emulatorloo May 2012 #51

Says the one who responds to a legitimate OP with an insult. EOTE May 2012 #53

Good grief, stop putting words in people's mouths emulatorloo May 2012 #61

And what words might those be? EOTE May 2012 #64

I'm not angry. You are projecting. emulatorloo May 2012 #69

So a bunch of spittle and no substance. EOTE May 2012 #70

You're still projecting emulatorloo May 2012 #72

And you have still yet to offer any information of substance. EOTE May 2012 #74

I gave you my answers in post #51 emulatorloo May 2012 #93

No, actually you haven't. EOTE May 2012 #102

lol that was a good one... project much? (question purely rhetorical) inna May 2012 #205

Nailed it! SunsetDreams May 2012 #57

Well..... cliffordu May 2012 #171

Yup. Lots of DUers... SidDithers May 2012 #190

Politically that would have been ignorant rufus dog May 2012 #100

Yep, precisely. cliffordu May 2012 #172

He could have waited until after the election (and he won) I suppose Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #112

I don't know if this is going to help or hurt him politically. EOTE May 2012 #116

Right Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #118

You just knew there'd be one treestar May 2012 #9

Nothing short of divorcing Michelle and marrying a Solomon May 2012 #31

Trust me, even that would not be good enough emulatorloo May 2012 #65

If you actually believe anyone anywhere relating to the pro-side of Lionessa May 2012 #73

um... okay. Solomon May 2012 #76

Actually, it's not much of a change from what he's said before... joeybee12 May 2012 #34

Congrats, you have the first cynical response complaining about us not celebrating enough. Pab Sungenis May 2012 #186

Well, he IS a politician bigwillq May 2012 #4

I think his "evolution" was fast-tracked (unintentionally) by VP Biden. cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #6

I think VP's statements were part of the rollout. emulatorloo May 2012 #19

Yup. I said just that a couple of days ago. MineralMan May 2012 #32

Judging by Carney's performances at press briefings, he wasn't let in on the plan. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #58

No, I think Carney knew. But, it's not his place MineralMan May 2012 #68

Ah...cynicism. MineralMan May 2012 #7

It's a risk Politicalboi May 2012 #8

Yes, it could, in certain places, elleng May 2012 #18

It could hurt him BIG... regnaD kciN May 2012 #30

He doesn't have to fight for it. progressoid May 2012 #10

If he's re-elected he'll be appointing SC Justices. cali May 2012 #13

More Justices like Elena Kagan? Pab Sungenis May 2012 #187

See post #163. Ikonoklast May 2012 #192

Loving v. Virginia. Pab Sungenis May 2012 #193

Ruling was correctly based on discrimination and equal protection under that amendment. Ikonoklast May 2012 #196

Are you saying there's no discrimination in anti-gay-marriage laws? Pab Sungenis May 2012 #197

Straw man. Ikonoklast May 2012 #202

And why should human rights be left to the states? Lionessa May 2012 #71

Agreed progressoid May 2012 #83

Marriage is a state function treestar May 2012 #163

Loving v. Virginia. Pab Sungenis May 2012 #194

That interpreted a state law as unconstitutional treestar May 2012 #195

The state laws were unconstitutional Pab Sungenis May 2012 #198

Kagan? treestar May 2012 #203

Kagan: "There is no Constitutional right to same sex marriage." Pab Sungenis May 2012 #204

This is an enormous step in fighting for it. cali May 2012 #11

it's a ploy in the right direction Enrique May 2012 #12

and we DUers don't WANT him to get donations, and get re-elected??? elleng May 2012 #14

there's DUers that have been campaigning against him since 2007, who most certainly want him to lose dionysus May 2012 #38

Right. Thanks again, dion. elleng May 2012 #42

i'm going to work on the garden myself, it beats stress to a pulp dionysus May 2012 #47

LUCKY! elleng May 2012 #55

The statement ProSense May 2012 #16

First POTUS to endorse marriage equality emulatorloo May 2012 #17

Good Gawd!!!nt SunsetDreams May 2012 #21

I understand what you're saying gratuitous May 2012 #23

Let me help ... please move these to their new location. JoePhilly May 2012 #28

That thing should have wheels on it. Solomon May 2012 #35

+1 n/t FSogol May 2012 #45

Perfect. nt chowder66 May 2012 #75

+1000. The good news is this thread hasn't even made 10 recs. That's progress at DU. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #208

Actions speak louder than words, true Rex May 2012 #33

You mean like his statements that he'd be friendly to MMJ? EOTE May 2012 #36

There weren't enough votes for the public option ecstatic May 2012 #40

He took the PO off the table before the debate even began. EOTE May 2012 #50

Could you post a link on the PO deal being taken off the table by Obama please? chowder66 May 2012 #92

Are you going to fight for it? ecstatic May 2012 #37

I've been doing everything I can to support marriage equality Lionessa May 2012 #78

He's already been fighting for it. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #41

good points! Bluerthanblue May 2012 #52

throwing punches here and there for political reasons, not to be confused with "fighting" inna May 2012 #206

right Bolo Boffin May 2012 #207

This should tell you what you need to know: Hell Hath No Fury May 2012 #44

. dionysus May 2012 #48

The minute he comes out unequivocally for -- Hell Hath No Fury May 2012 #56

Exactly. If it is a human right, then it can't be voted on state by state. Lionessa May 2012 #81

He urged Congress to repeal DOMA. So there you go. ieoeja May 2012 #105

How can that be done? treestar May 2012 #165

"throw the gays a bone" day AtomicKitten May 2012 #62

He could. Pab Sungenis May 2012 #200

Or "throw a bone... Pab Sungenis May 2012 #188

Umm, I wouldn't call this a ploy to get re-elected. Bake May 2012 #46

I'd call it a ploy. Pab Sungenis May 2012 #189

We disagree. Bake May 2012 #199

Let's see, a state critical to his re-election (NC) voted against marriage equality and you say WI_DEM May 2012 #49

Announcing this before the NC vote wouldn't have changed anything chowder66 May 2012 #59

Baby steps. If he doesn't get re-elected, he can't fight to repeal DOMA or anything else we need. phleshdef May 2012 #60

I doubt it's a ploy. This could cost him NC and OH, and possibly the election n/t Blaukraut May 2012 #66

So would you rather he had not said it? Just curious. yellowcanine May 2012 #67

No, my post was in response the the six or so OPs demanding donations Lionessa May 2012 #84

So you created an OP SunsetDreams May 2012 #94

Again, no, you are spinning. The OPs weren't just offering links. Lionessa May 2012 #95

So DU'ers were forcing you to donate to the Obama campaign? emulatorloo May 2012 #98

Are you incapable of language comprehension. I said demanding, not forcing. Lionessa May 2012 #104

"hey wait a minute, don't let the salesman sell you a lemon" SunsetDreams May 2012 #108

IF someone was to donate strictly for this issue, then yes, that's what I'm saying. Lionessa May 2012 #111

Are you incapable of recognizing humourous teasing? emulatorloo May 2012 #115

I'm not spinning what you said SunsetDreams May 2012 #107

No, I agree it is an important step, but it isn't one that ranks, imo Lionessa May 2012 #96

Where did you go? nt SunsetDreams May 2012 #77

this thread blows. you're moving the goalposts scheming daemons May 2012 #89

No I'm not. But it is good to remind people that he is a pol Lionessa May 2012 #101

a president's words are powerful. saying something IS doing something. scheming daemons May 2012 #110

And meanwhile, his Justice Dept is not enforcing DOMA emulatorloo May 2012 #117

So true! How many times has that been invoked before? treestar May 2012 #166

Will your Romney say one thing and do another? Rosa Luxemburg May 2012 #123

DO you guys have anything other than BS to throw? Really, grow up. Lionessa May 2012 #127

no I don't think there was pressure Rosa Luxemburg May 2012 #159

You didn't think that all the way through Barely May 2012 #119

He'll never get votes from those agains gay marriage rights, Lionessa May 2012 #120

so what? Rosa Luxemburg May 2012 #122

So I had an opinion about that type of political manipulation and I typed it. Lionessa May 2012 #124

I get that you feel demoralized ecstatic May 2012 #129

I'm in no way encouraging anyone to not vote for Obama, Lionessa May 2012 #131

He would have gotten the votes from civil union supporters Barely May 2012 #125

Independents wouldn't contribute or not based on this issue, only the GLBTs Lionessa May 2012 #132

Really? Ya think so? That's not what this week's poll said about Indies... ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #134

Marriage equality, please. Are you saying he should continue supporting "separate but equal" instead uppityperson May 2012 #201

then don't donate maddezmom May 2012 #130

I didn't. Then I opined. The problem is? Lionessa May 2012 #133

. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #135

BULLSHIT THREAD! one_voice May 2012 #126

Only if your head is in the sand. Lionessa May 2012 #128

So Obama is full if shit and just pandering for campaign contributions Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #136

Never said he was full of shit, did say he's likely pandering. Lionessa May 2012 #138

Why do you have to escalate what's said SunsetDreams May 2012 #140

Where are you seeing hate and why are you calling people idiots Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #141

I'm getting real tired of the strawman questions. If don't see them Lionessa May 2012 #142

You accused others of hate, just before you called them idiots Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #146

Treading Where Others "Fear" Is Not Why You Are Being Questioned. HangOnKids May 2012 #150

When digging yourself in a hole, sometimes it's wise Solomon May 2012 #143

I'm not in a hole. Nice try though. Lionessa May 2012 #145

Call what as you see what? Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #147

You would have a good point if he didn't stop enforcing DOMA. Boy, liberals sure know how to be Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2012 #144

The leader of the free world supports marriage equality. great white snark May 2012 #148

I know! We should be celebrating! Hell, we SHOULD be uniting!! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2012 #152

Or full court press for DADT... Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #149

It's just all too convenient. AngryOldDem May 2012 #151

Who cares?!??! He supports marriage equality! That's all I care about! Now, let's unite and kick Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2012 #153

I just want to make sure he's sincere about it, is all. AngryOldDem May 2012 #156

By that token no one could evolve anything ever treestar May 2012 #168

Interesting. salin May 2012 #155

Where have you been? SunsetDreams May 2012 #157

Lol - was still at work... salin May 2012 #158

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #164

Cranky much? I hope unloading on me makes your evening with others Lionessa May 2012 #173

Go watch Rachel and let a professional crush your argument and "concern" cliffordu May 2012 #174

Go tell your children what to do. I'm not in the least obedient. Lionessa May 2012 #176

No, I hadn't. cliffordu May 2012 #178

It isn't bogus, and it turns out not to even be a posit, in that he got Lionessa May 2012 #183

"Ah, bullshit. Get a job or a fucking hobby. Or a life." just1voice May 2012 #177

Legitimate? cliffordu May 2012 #179

Obama supports his positions, that is a fact as shown by his Presidency. joshcryer May 2012 #175

Some personal deliberation takes thinkers a while. Give it a break. lonestarnot May 2012 #185

Then don't donate. Everyone knows there are different political parties represented here.... Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #209