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NCTraveler

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5. He fought his ass off for the ACA.

Tue May 12, 2015, 08:53 AM

May 2015

If his goal and efforts were about single payer, 17 million fewer people would have health insurance today. This argument about wishing he fought for single payer like he is for the TPP is some serious bullshit. This is where people fighting against something bad, look like fools because they just want to attack a person. This comparing apples to oranges because of the limited ability to debate honestly is crap. Yeah, it would have gone swimmingly if he fought every day for single payer. Wait. No it wouldn't have. We would have 17 million fewer people with health insurance and a President trying to sell a pipe dream to this day. The manner the TPP is being brought about is bullshit. It also has absolutely nothing to do with the ACA or single payer.

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I just unsubscribed from all OFA emails [View all] corkhead May 2015 OP

TPA might pass. Single payer would not have. Renew Deal May 2015 #1

Tapas? Yum. Pass the tapas. cali May 2015 #2

Damned auto-correct! Renew Deal May 2015 #9

Lol I know. I hate auto correct. cali May 2015 #11

A computer hot shot just disabled mine! Yeah! My airs are better! Eleanors38 May 2015 #83

It wasn't "on the table" No effort was made to bring pressure to bear by going to the people corkhead May 2015 #3

There was a lot of pressure for a "public option" and they couldn't get that done Renew Deal May 2015 #10

They were never committed to a Public Option. It was only a bargaining point to them. Ford_Prefect May 2015 #22

That was the beginning of disenchantment with "Change" erronis May 2015 #31

That opportunity depended on a public stand for single-payer, one which would rally... Eleanors38 May 2015 #84

You say they only want to stay on the top of the heap Renew Deal May 2015 #39

That seems to have been mostly the result of screwing up the recovery Chathamization May 2015 #42

And they walked tazkcmo May 2015 #46

That is not at all the case Renew Deal May 2015 #118

He was never going to win the teabagger vote. For the average person, the weak economy was Chathamization May 2015 #119

And 2014, and 2014. George II May 2015 #52

This assumes people are talking about the Democratic party when they use the word "they?" n/t betterdemsonly May 2015 #116

there was a small window in which to pass the ACA... we can at least amend and tweak it, and secondwind May 2015 #55

there was a small window in which to pass the ACA... we can at least amend and tweak it, and secondwind May 2015 #57

Lots of pressure? tennstar May 2015 #40

Now you've seen it Renew Deal May 2015 #41

Lol tennstar May 2015 #43

You're welcome Renew Deal May 2015 #44

Obama found the effort to hold secret meetings with big pharma.... raindaddy May 2015 #21

We were outraged when Cheney met the energy companies in closed-door sessions Lydia Leftcoast May 2015 #24

Turning point for me too Lydia.. raindaddy May 2015 #48

Obama never said he'd support single payer. That has been fact checked. He said he liked the idea okaawhatever May 2015 #23

No, it's actually the same story. A PO would have passed if the effort that is going into sabrina 1 May 2015 #63

If you are trying to make a pont, I think you failed. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #94

Which part do you dispute? Renew Deal May 2015 #103

Let me guess your point. Pres Obama didn't fight for single payer because it wouldn't pass. rhett o rick May 2015 #105

I think both are true Renew Deal May 2015 #106

So you've become aware of what neoliberal actually think of you. 99Forever May 2015 #4

He fought his ass off for the ACA. NCTraveler May 2015 #5

Not hard enough eloydude May 2015 #6

Fuck Lieberman and his ilk NCTraveler May 2015 #7

No he didn't MFrohike May 2015 #86

I think it's better to fight the good fight and lose than to roll over and let the assholes rhett o rick May 2015 #95

Yes, and I remember when Obama addressed Progressives... CoffeeCat May 2015 #8

Sorry, I have to disagree. Damansarajaya May 2015 #15

He didn't go to the mat for the public option because studies showed only 2 million people okaawhatever May 2015 #27

Only because it was being built to be a fraud, just a dumping ground for the cartel to nudge TheKentuckian May 2015 #85

Also, single payer was in a first term and he needed to think about his second erronis May 2015 #34

Obama never campaigned on single payer. he said he liked single payer but with the system we okaawhatever May 2015 #87

Single payer is not the same as a public option, which he endorsed. Damansarajaya May 2015 #90

I unsubscribed when he signed ObamaCare without Damansarajaya May 2015 #12

Or it's clear that he preferred effective governing than chasing purity ponies geek tragedy May 2015 #14

I can "stand him" just fine. I think he's the best Damansarajaya May 2015 #17

The reason GLBT rights have made so much progress is because the GLBT activists geek tragedy May 2015 #20

The public option did get approved in the house, just not the Senate When it went to reconciliation okaawhatever May 2015 #28

I'll never forget, or forgive, Lieberman threatening to filibuster the ACA geek tragedy May 2015 #49

Yeah, there was a lot of pressure in the end to kil it. Many congresspeople started taking the okaawhatever May 2015 #53

It amazes me that some people are dumb enough to think that LIEberman, DINO Ben, geek tragedy May 2015 #58

The planet where he tries, like he tries to fast-track TPP? Damansarajaya May 2015 #92

He did that for the ACA itself. geek tragedy May 2015 #93

No mandates. Under my plan there would be no mandates. Damansarajaya May 2015 #102

His no mandates campaign rhetoric was irresponsible demagoguing. geek tragedy May 2015 #104

Thanks for agreeing with my point--he can't be trusted on what he says. Damansarajaya May 2015 #109

He is a politician. nt geek tragedy May 2015 #110

If Blanch was so awful why did he go to bat for her against Halter betterdemsonly May 2015 #117

Looks like they didn't count the votes very well on fast tracking TPP. Damansarajaya May 2015 #88

Mitch McConnell was a lot more upset than Obama seemed to be. geek tragedy May 2015 #91

Nailed it... SidDithers May 2015 #18

The rest of the modern world has universal healthcare. So please spare me the pony show think May 2015 #64

they also don't have our Congress. and they didn't have to transition from an entirely geek tragedy May 2015 #65

I am so sick of this arguement. Mojorabbit May 2015 #81

Right? truebrit71 May 2015 #13

Show me the path to single payer. JaneyVee May 2015 #16

They can't ... it never existed ... but the whining about it will never end. JoePhilly May 2015 #101

I unsubscribed a long time ago. But suddenly I ended up getting CharlotteVale May 2015 #19

I unsubscribed when emails began sound more and more like collection notices. ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #25

Or spam: "Obama wants to have dinner with you! Will you join him?" Chathamization May 2015 #45

My dad still receives them, and the sheer amount of "Share Your Story" emails was outrageous. ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #56

-1 Buzz Clik May 2015 #26

your kick / substantive response is duly noted corkhead May 2015 #32

Why should I care about your emails? What's next -- coupon collecting? Stories of annoying neighbors Buzz Clik May 2015 #35

I raise your smilies by one corkhead May 2015 #37

So did I just recently fredamae May 2015 #29

I don't often use strong language, but the idea that a public option wouldn't have passed is Lydia Leftcoast May 2015 #30

Funny, he is doing the Reagan thing for TPP but didn't even try for single payer or public option corkhead May 2015 #36

He did that work for the ACA as a whole. The public option is not as important geek tragedy May 2015 #51

The public option would only have provided some much-needed competition for Big Insurance Lydia Leftcoast May 2015 #68

I know how the public option was supposed to work. geek tragedy May 2015 #71

By twisting the arms of the Blue Dogs Lydia Leftcoast May 2015 #73

You're still depending on the fallacy that Congress is not a co-equal branch geek tragedy May 2015 #74

So here's the deal: "Vote for a public option, and you get to keep your air force base." Lydia Leftcoast May 2015 #75

You are still subscribing to the view that Congress is the door mat of the president, geek tragedy May 2015 #78

But he successfully persuaded the Progressive Caucus Lydia Leftcoast May 2015 #79

Closed-door meetings is how politics gets done. geek tragedy May 2015 #80

Well, what else would you expect Art_from_Ark May 2015 #99

Great post. Hate to put Reagan above Obama in any matchup but you've done it. erronis May 2015 #38

No, what is a 'stinking pile of bullshit' is the fantasy where all that matters is the president geek tragedy May 2015 #50

Funny thing--it worked for Reagan's tax cuts when he had a Democratic Congress Lydia Leftcoast May 2015 #69

More magical thinking. geek tragedy May 2015 #70

My claim is not magical thinking Lydia Leftcoast May 2015 #72

Your claims are outright inaccurate and false. geek tragedy May 2015 #76

Reading comprehension Lydia Leftcoast May 2015 #107

Sanders: single payer never had a chance geek tragedy May 2015 #108

You've changed the subject. I'm talking about a public option Lydia Leftcoast May 2015 #112

You imagine Nebraska to be a hotbed of progressivism? geek tragedy May 2015 #113

Nebraska has a lot of old people on Medicare Lydia Leftcoast May 2015 #114

You are so Nite Owl May 2015 #67

So Sanders was lying when he said it wouldn't have passed? (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #77

We'll never know ibegurpard May 2015 #89

of course it is Skittles May 2015 #98

"The answer--he was a corporatist all along." L0oniX May 2015 #115

Single Payer would be equivalent to breaking up of the too-big-to-fail insurance libdem4life May 2015 #33

You know the President doesn't pass legislation, right? geek tragedy May 2015 #54

I ignore condescension and snark and "words in mouth" snap judgments. Save it for libdem4life May 2015 #59

You're the one explicitly arguing that Obama lets his own personal greed geek tragedy May 2015 #61

Your ignorant post says everything about you and nothing about President Obama. Cha May 2015 #97

I did that years ago. bigwillq May 2015 #47

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This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy May 2015 #62

If the public option had passed JEB May 2015 #66

me too. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #82

We all wake up to the truth at our own pace. woo me with science May 2015 #96

It's the "fall in line" thing that really pisses me off. NaturalHigh May 2015 #100

The only reason I am thinking of resubing nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #111