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BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
92. You are catching on one point to try to "win" your argument
Tue May 12, 2015, 12:40 PM
May 2015

And you're instead looking petty and foolish. You do realize that the artist is from Italy and that the interview you are reading is just a small part of what he said. Europe, you may be surprised to learn, is also much more progressive when it comes to LGBT rights, so I doubt he is a homophobe by default. But more importantly, the artist has chosen a moment when each person is standing up against being accused. It is artistic license in this case and is showing that Ms. Manning stood up to the powers while in uniform. I highly doubt that she would have any problem whatsoever to this stunning tribute.

But the bigger issue is you think she should be in jail for exposing state secrets and that Obama had every right to say she was guilty. I think she should be free; I think she's a hero. I bet she would be happy to be free rather than know you defended her right to the correct pronoun.

SS: The individuals you’ve sculpted are vilified by political establishments all over the world. In various ways Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, and Bradley [Chelsea] Manning are all prisoners and have had to accept huge restrictions on their freedom. Why are they heroes for you?

DD: They are heroes because they show us how much control governments have over us. We have to understand the difference between control and privacy. Privacy is sacrosanct. It is a basic human right. With the new technology it is easier for the government to control us. That is not democracy, in my opinion, but it is also important to know why and how they control us.
We need to have the courage to know the truth. Sometimes people don’t understand and they say, “It doesn’t matter if they know everything about me.” This is very wrong.

SS: In the past your work has taken a more abstract form, this time you have chosen a very direct, realistic form.

DD: I deliberately chose to model them in a realistic fashion—an ancient form of representation. The message has to be clear. People have to be able to immediately recognize them.

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Proud to be first to Rec. Thank you, Dormino and KoKo! Octafish May 2015 #1
Did he not get the memo about Ms. Manning? Brickbat May 2015 #2
It was Bradley Manning that blew the whistle. zeemike May 2015 #27
Well this should go over well with the DU authoritarian brigade riderinthestorm May 2015 #3
yup In_The_Wind May 2015 #4
See post #16 for authoritarian assholery on display. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #19
Right on cue LittleBlue May 2015 #37
I have no opinion on the statues other than joy morningfog May 2015 #51
"History never had a positive opinion of contemporary revolutionaries... polichick May 2015 #5
"courage to act"? Then why didn't Snowden "act" before he left the US? Courage my butt! George II May 2015 #54
They broke secrets as matters of principle. Hoppy May 2015 #62
Saw this story on RT. What is remarkable is the difference between the sabrina 1 May 2015 #6
it's still a semi-free country, just don't litter on public property snooper2 May 2015 #11
No, just the Snowden statue that defaced another monument was removed jmowreader May 2015 #48
We are such a frightened society. Scared of everything, even a statue. sabrina 1 May 2015 #66
I noticed you referred to RT. You know that's Russian and can't be trusted. Those are probably rhett o rick May 2015 #49
Lol, RT has that 'liberal bias' so I can understand why some our more conservative friends sabrina 1 May 2015 #65
You are too kind. I would call it hypocracy. Claiming to be "politically liberal" and then rhett o rick May 2015 #69
Yes, you are right about the hypocrisy. I laugh when I see the anti RT posts, it is sabrina 1 May 2015 #70
And those who put the statue up were quickly identified and fined. nt tblue37 May 2015 #68
Some day our government, after we evolve from where we are now, and when we abide by sabrina 1 May 2015 #71
Wow BrotherIvan May 2015 #7
Ikr? The powerful symbolism of that empty chair to be filled by... anyone riderinthestorm May 2015 #9
It really is BrotherIvan May 2015 #10
+10000000 woo me with science May 2015 #97
Americans will think the 4th chair is Obama and Clint Eastwood Generic Other May 2015 #56
lol's....they will have to go to Berlin, though. KoKo May 2015 #60
DURec.... except that I wish those statues were in Wash. DC. bvar22 May 2015 #8
Can't have those guys in the public eye d_legendary1 May 2015 #28
Love Berlin -on the cutting edge socially, politically & culturally, as ever. Divernan May 2015 #12
I enjoyed Berlin yeoman6987 May 2015 #29
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT May 2015 #13
"Bradley" Manning and "three men who defied the system?" nt geek tragedy May 2015 #14
if RT is involved in this i don't think they recognize Chelsea JI7 May 2015 #18
this is wsws.org, I think. geek tragedy May 2015 #20
It would be interesting to look into who funded the sculptures. stevenleser May 2015 #25
I doubt it yeoman6987 May 2015 #32
That person has made it clear she is a woman and wants to be addressed that way. stevenleser May 2015 #35
Do you think it might have been made prior to Chelsea announcing she would like to yeoman6987 May 2015 #38
No. It has been a long time since she made that announcement. The artist is still referring to her stevenleser May 2015 #39
Crazy, huh. At the time, Ms Manning publicly identified as male. During her pre-trial incarceration Luminous Animal May 2015 #40
"Either the funder or the artist are likely homophobes." bvar22 May 2015 #41
Good point. Even if it's to needle the US, there is no letup on Russia's anti-gay bigotry. stevenleser May 2015 #21
Because of course you are such a huge fan of her. BeanMusical May 2015 #30
I always refer to her as Chelsea. I cant stand what she did. I do not support bigotry to achieve stevenleser May 2015 #34
Bigotry have been used to achieve political ends? BeanMusical May 2015 #44
No, it's actually very telling that you assume folks would use or accept bigotry against stevenleser May 2015 #73
Ms Manning identified as a man at the time and even rejected her supporters from Luminous Animal May 2015 #64
That is a very poor excuse. The artist referred to Manning as Bradley in interviews the last few stevenleser May 2015 #74
And you couldn't be more wrong. But hey, making stuff up seems to be the sabrina 1 May 2015 #67
there seems to be more effort into getting statues than trying to change laws JI7 May 2015 #15
At least I'll know where to place any pigeon seed I might buy when I make it to Berlin. stevenleser May 2015 #16
Um...that's a seagull Demeter May 2015 #23
Yes, I know. nt stevenleser May 2015 #24
Disgusting. BeanMusical May 2015 #46
The poster appears on Fox News so you hit the bullseye BrotherIvan May 2015 #57
So does Greenwald. So does Bernie Sanders, Kucinich, etc. Your ad-hominem doesn't work. stevenleser May 2015 #76
You're calling the artist who made this sculpture a homophobe BrotherIvan May 2015 #90
Denying someone their gender identity makes you a homophobe. His own words are evidence. nt stevenleser May 2015 #91
You are catching on one point to try to "win" your argument BrotherIvan May 2015 #92
The point of this subthread is that the artist is a homophobe. So yes, my arguments are tailored stevenleser May 2015 #93
LOL, and let me guess, you have accused Obama supporters for being cult-like in the past right? stevenleser May 2015 #75
Lol! You're projecting, dear. BeanMusical May 2015 #79
Apparently not. Your reaction to this milquetoast criticism says it all. nt stevenleser May 2015 #80
Awww, so much anger. BeanMusical May 2015 #83
Nope, not anger. I am laughing. stevenleser May 2015 #84
Good. BeanMusical May 2015 #86
Who's the boy getting pooped on? Is this from some cemetery? Not funny, in any case. nt. polly7 May 2015 #95
Who is the kid in your picture GummyBearz May 2015 #50
Awww, you're so anti-authoritarian you are angry at those who dissent against the hero narrative stevenleser May 2015 #77
You sound angry. BeanMusical May 2015 #81
Nope, I'm laughing at the reaction to the pigeon feed comments by folks who take this too seriously stevenleser May 2015 #82
Of course you don't. BeanMusical May 2015 #85
Steve, I remember when you posed for that sculpture. FrankUnderwood Jun 2015 #98
Bravo! Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #17
Participatory Art, Participatory Politics, Publicly Speaking Truth to Power Demeter May 2015 #22
enthusiastic kick navarth May 2015 #26
"The statues are part of an art project entitled 'Anything to Say?'” KansDem May 2015 #31
Does the "anything" being said include Court Testimony? brooklynite May 2015 #45
Proudly salutes, kicks and recommends. Fantastic Anarchist May 2015 #33
UNREC brooklynite May 2015 #36
and one accused of rape OKNancy May 2015 #42
Has anyone asked you to genuflect? bvar22 May 2015 #43
You're being more polite than I could. BeanMusical May 2015 #47
Come out and say that you disparage all whistle-blowers because they challenge authority. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #99
Powerful was not eh word I was thinking,,,,,,, Cryptoad May 2015 #52
Such overkill! treestar May 2015 #53
I love watching authoritarians foam at the mouth in the morning! Rex May 2015 #55
Me too. The sad part, though, is that there are any of them here. BillZBubb May 2015 #87
They should be melted and used for bathroom fixtures Renew Deal May 2015 #58
Who, the authoritarians or the statues? hueymahl May 2015 #89
Love it malaise May 2015 #59
well, that ought to make some heads explode. niyad May 2015 #61
Big k/r 840high May 2015 #63
Absolutely fantastic! colorado_ufo May 2015 #72
All these statues and busts are creeping into 'Maoist' territory Blue_Tires May 2015 #78
What an absurd comment. BillZBubb May 2015 #88
I don't know how else to describe cultish hero worship Blue_Tires May 2015 #94
kick woo me with science May 2015 #96
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