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87. You are mistaken regarding the definition of "Established"

Tue May 12, 2015, 03:48 PM

May 2015

"Established as you are using it means that these churches exist and have structure."
No. I'm using the standard dictionary definition.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Establishment+of+religion

"That is why freedom of religion was included in the Constitution. So that the country could not establish any religion and exclude any. "
No, the establishment clause (not freedom of religion) was included. Because people in established religions were afraid that congress would separate their churches from the state. Established religions weren't shut down when the constitution was ratified.

"When the Quakers got into a disagreement "
The "disagreement" was that they didn't want to have to pay taxes to support other people's established churches.

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Constitutional horror: Clarence Thomas argues states can establish official religion [View all] KamaAina May 2015 OP

Now we know why he was quiet for so long. Baitball Blogger May 2015 #1

That's not a new assertion... brooklynite May 2015 #2

No its not but but the precedent of application to the states is mostly settled. yellowcanine May 2015 #80

Crazy fascist blm May 2015 #3

I do not think that is what the founders had in mind when they wrote Ammendment I Stuart G May 2015 #4

+1,000,000 Auggie May 2015 #7

actually you would be wrong on that dsc May 2015 #26

Correct! The Incorporation Clause of the 14th Amendment applied the Bill of Rights to....... LongTomH May 2015 #78

Thomas has always been a stranger to the 14th Amendment. rug May 2015 #79

OMG! Fuck that shit! I'm not going to have some fairy tale forced on me by ANY government! WTF ChisolmTrailDem May 2015 #5

Couldn't have said it better myself! KansDem May 2015 #31

Anybody who bothers reading into the Federalist nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #6

The 14th Amendment says treestar May 2015 #8

Oh that pesky 14th amendment. Clarence hasn't read that far yet. CanonRay May 2015 #16

Notice that the article, from last year, does not quote Thomas or identify the decision jberryhill May 2015 #27

It's tough to call bullshit on someone when they provide no verifiable facts. hughee99 May 2015 #70

it was a poor article, about Town of Greece, NY v. Galloway 134 S. Ct. 1811 (2014) steve2470 May 2015 #71

Yeah, there's no question that Thomas is pretty dumb jberryhill May 2015 #74

Not to quibble... philosslayer May 2015 #73

The Incorporation Doctrine hifiguy May 2015 #9

Incorporation. That was my first thought Ratty May 2015 #21

uncle Ruckus is as crazy as his namesake. hifiguy May 2015 #22

Could you change the type of sandwiches?? Angry Dragon May 2015 #30

lol East Jesus Montana treestar May 2015 #36

Now every time Thomas' name comes up, I also think of Ruckus LittleBlue May 2015 #45

That meme certainly fits Thomas... hifiguy May 2015 #48

When he dies, does he get to go to White Heaven? backscatter712 May 2015 #49

Now that is scary! ananda May 2015 #10

Thomas - do you understand that state religion was what most of our ancestors camne to this jwirr May 2015 #11

Actually, many came to start their own established religions Taitertots May 2015 #14

After the state religion would not allow them to practice their own religion. All over Europe they jwirr May 2015 #18

Do you know what an established religion is? Taitertots May 2015 #51

The early settlers all came on the same ships, lived in a certain area where they started their own jwirr May 2015 #81

You are mistaken regarding the definition of "Established" Taitertots May 2015 #87

The dictionary definition indicates the Church of England as an exampe. A church that by law is jwirr May 2015 #91

Nominated by George H. W. Bush... pinto May 2015 #12

And confirmed after he panicked and played the "high-tech lynching" card..... Paladin May 2015 #52

Antidisestablishmentarianism is not a new thing Taitertots May 2015 #13

But using it in a sentence is! KamaAina May 2015 #17

I'll bet he's been waiting for years.l.. n/t malthaussen May 2015 #23

I had a course in college about the history of economics and religion Taitertots May 2015 #50

Makes about as much sense as saying the First Amendment doesn't apply to blasphemy... Dr. Strange May 2015 #15

That is truly horrifying. Coventina May 2015 #19

Why does Thomas hate the 14th amendment? MohRokTah May 2015 #20

That would be because he hates the USA. n/t malthaussen May 2015 #24

Justice Sleepy SwankyXomb May 2015 #88

Guy should be unanimously impeached. Octafish May 2015 #25

Clarence opened his mouth? NV Whino May 2015 #28

I think he was about to shove his foot into it KamaAina May 2015 #33

Ah, that explains it. NV Whino May 2015 #34

They're gonna need the Jaws of Life hifiguy May 2015 #35

And nothing good comes out. n/t Orsino May 2015 #75

No. It was in a written dissenting opinion in 2014. yellowcanine May 2015 #83

What a relief NV Whino May 2015 #86

Islam coming to a state near you Angry Dragon May 2015 #29

He has not problem with making Christianity a state religion treestar May 2015 #38

I was hoping for the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster in Utah. yellowcanine May 2015 #84

This also jumped out at me: Adsos Letter May 2015 #32

Noticed that too treestar May 2015 #37

There is not a single quote from Thomas in the OP or the link. former9thward May 2015 #39

Dunno. But there are two summaries of his position: KamaAina May 2015 #40

Sorry, I don't accept summaries from reporters on legal matters. former9thward May 2015 #43

there ya go steve2470 May 2015 #56

Here ya go. Direct link to .pdf of opinion. (edited for subject line) Cerridwen May 2015 #57

yep you nailed it, way to go! steve2470 May 2015 #58

If nothing else, it's at least a direct link to the opinion and wording used Cerridwen May 2015 #61

Its not correct. former9thward May 2015 #63

why are you nitpicking ? steve2470 May 2015 #65

I will give you a response. former9thward May 2015 #67

thank you for an intelligent civil response! :) nt steve2470 May 2015 #69

Ahhh, no former9thward May 2015 #62

Ahhhh, yes. I provided a direct link to the opinion referred in the article. Cerridwen May 2015 #66

I read it. former9thward May 2015 #68

Ah. Different goal posts. Cerridwen May 2015 #72

Clarence is an embarrassment to the court and to the nation Skittles May 2015 #41

They needed a black guy to replace Thurgood Marshall KamaAina May 2015 #42

Hello Fourteenth amendment anyone? Kurska May 2015 #44

and we can't complain ....... olddots May 2015 #46

Seriously? Terra Alta May 2015 #47

Well, don't we in the US just have Tsiyu May 2015 #53

how the fuck did this guy ever graduate law school ? steve2470 May 2015 #54

According to Clarence himself, Affirmative Action. n/t SwankyXomb May 2015 #89

This isn't especially new. He's had this view forever. Unvanguard May 2015 #55

It appears he would like to see Everson v. Board of Education of the Township of Ewing swept away. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #59

Establishment clause overview Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #60

Okay, then my state is going to go for the Church of FuckClarenceThomas. Arugula Latte May 2015 #64

what if its scientology or islam? samsingh May 2015 #76

Clearwater, FL might very well establish $cientology KamaAina May 2015 #77

how are such stupid people as clarence judges? samsingh May 2015 #85

This is why me MUST have a democratic win in 2016! workinclasszero May 2015 #82

Did he ever take a class in high school Civics? lpbk2713 May 2015 #90

While drinking Cokes KamaAina May 2015 #92