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Fred Sanders

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37. What is going on is there is confusion about the difference between following blindly and following open-eyed.

Tue May 12, 2015, 08:21 PM

May 2015

The ""why are you such a blind follower?" canard is a highly combustible strawman.

Americans are averse to giving out compliments and trust no one, - other than NFL quarterbacks - I get it, but twice elected President Obama is on a whole other level.

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The loss on TPP could be really bad long term [View all] AngryAmish May 2015 OP

I don't trust Obama or Hillary on anything. bigwillq May 2015 #1

^^^ THIS ^^^ cantbeserious May 2015 #20

+10000000 woo me with science May 2015 #35

+ a zillion 840high May 2015 #41

Peak oil will make global trade a moot point. Binkie The Clown May 2015 #2

Agree. When we are destroying out planet to get out the last drop of oil it is a good sign that the jwirr May 2015 #8

Got news for you, buddy: 99Forever May 2015 #3

I agree he was right but he was a nutter. AngryAmish May 2015 #4

What the fuck does his daughters wedding have to do with ANYTHING relevant to my world? 99Forever May 2015 #10

I did . Without that " nutter " George H Bush Sr would orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #12

That Texas "nutter was right and Al Gore so wrong that its laughable. Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #5

"That giant sucking sound" is indelibly lodged in my progressive friends' vocabularies. Eleanors38 May 2015 #11

Oh bullshit. I'm so sick of hearing all the lies about NAFTA. I know you don't want to learn the okaawhatever May 2015 #38

Really hurt how? There isn't a damn thing in there to increase wages, environmental protections, TheKentuckian May 2015 #6

huh? This isn't over. It's just beginning. cali May 2015 #7

+1. /nt RiverLover May 2015 #15

Their " Secrecy " isn't baffling it's become " Business as usual " orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #9

The secrecy is what killed it, IMO Warpy May 2015 #13

It's not over, the vote is just delayed RiverLover May 2015 #16

I know, they'll keep on plugging away until they get it Warpy May 2015 #40

Correct me if I err. Fred Sanders May 2015 #14

It can't be amended or debated, Hence " Fast Track " giving authority, as They did in orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #17

I do believe that is mainly correct, but the actual TPP, being a revenue bill, still has to be passed by regular process. Fred Sanders May 2015 #18

WOW! Thank You orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #24

No the purpose of fast track is to not allow RiverLover May 2015 #19

But as the TPP is a " revenue bill" it still has to be opened up and debated in the Seante....there Fred Sanders May 2015 #21

hey, river. that's actually only one feature of the TPA cali May 2015 #31

Fail as usual. aargh. that is irrelevant, fred, old boy. I've explained this to you cali May 2015 #22

lulz Jesus Malverde May 2015 #34

I believe you are correct. savalez May 2015 #26

How does any of that matter when the votes aren't there to change the outcome? TheKentuckian May 2015 #27

The secrecy ends when Congress is asked to approve Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #30

Trusting politicians is for chumps. bemildred May 2015 #23

I cannot accept that my President fadedrose May 2015 #25

Yep. GoCubsGo May 2015 #29

I toyed with the idea he really wanted to sabotage it. bemildred May 2015 #33

What is going on is there is confusion about the difference between following blindly and following open-eyed. Fred Sanders May 2015 #37

Democrats filibuster ed Fast Track authority for the President the TPP.. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #28

Today the TPA or Trade Promotion Authority, commonly called 'Fast Track' was rejected by the Bluenorthwest May 2015 #32

"I would trust Hillary and Obama to do the right thing" - Why? NRaleighLiberal May 2015 #36

Why indeed. +1 840high May 2015 #42

Now it can be debated. It will all be in the open WhiteTara May 2015 #39