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chknltl

(10,558 posts)
93. Well three things actually
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:54 AM
May 2015

First, Thom Hartmann is where I got that link. He spoke on it a bit today. He found it fascinating that right wingers also had reasons to be against TPP. I've long thought it reasonable to post at DU things Thom Hartmann finds fascinating. I was looking for an appropriate place to post that link when I found....:

Secondly, an OP titled: "Who is "freaking out" over the TPP? Hint, it ain't just DUers" so I added a link to someone, not DUers who is also "freaking out" over TPP! Seems like a reasonable addition to the discussion....sadly no discussion.... my guess why would be.....:

Thirdly, and this is a biggie for me: is it me or is democracy supposed to work best when a majority of the citizenry stand up...well...sorta united for or against issues with a reasonable expectation that those issues be dealt with to the satisfaction of that citizenry? The elephant in this room I am opening is that the citizenry is divided, our very democracy is held in check because of division. Both sides seem to bask in a self righteous indignation over this division! This will sound sacrilegious to many if not most here at DU but impossible as it seems: the divided citizenry actually shares in a fundamental philosophy, one which is good for this country: It's called democracy

There is an old saying that the enemy of my enemy....well you've no doubt heard it before but We The People still share a common love for our democracy. If we also share a hate for those who would shove something down our throats without including us in the details when we ALL WANT TO KNOW THOSE DETAILS, (by definition: anti-democracy), well why not unite to fight against it? Why not rally around this one issue? There are other rally points but our hate for each other blinds us to them while the real enemy of democracy is laughing all the way to their off-shore banks.

I have been busy all day today, away from my TV where RT or Free Speech TV keeps me updated, away from this computer where DU keeps me updated. It is midnight Pacific time. I do not know how the Senate voted right now. Hopefully I'll read something to lift my spirits, that the Senate told our President "NO!" Hopefully We The people aren't taking it in the shorts...again. Before I go look, I wanted to let you know my three points.

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Krugman isn't freaking out BeyondGeography May 2015 #1
C'mon, that's cherry picking. cali May 2015 #2
Looks like damning with feign praise to me swilton May 2015 #12
The point is that Krugman is not so vehemently opposed, or at all, as implied by the OP. Fred Sanders May 2015 #20
lame. first of all, fred, do you understand what it means that I used quotation marks? cali May 2015 #24
I'd like another burger JimDandy May 2015 #76
a skittles asskicking post Jesus Malverde May 2015 #79
Apparently the only thing that TPP supporters can come up with is "Krugman isn't rhett o rick May 2015 #65
Damning with feigned praise-- Jackpine Radical May 2015 #23
How about "damning with feint praise"? scarletwoman May 2015 #75
Praising with faint damns? Jackpine Radical May 2015 #80
Like, using your indoor voice? scarletwoman May 2015 #82
Maybe you could dam up the praise until you faint. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #83
Praising with a faint dame? scarletwoman May 2015 #84
This is one of those that could go on to attain new levels Jackpine Radical May 2015 #85
I don't see the problem. scarletwoman May 2015 #86
Why do I let these things happen? Jackpine Radical May 2015 #87
It's not your fault. scarletwoman May 2015 #88
So you found a connection, huh? Jackpine Radical May 2015 #95
Dear Dog I hope you are being sarcastic. Good one. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #66
Exaggerating the strength of your allies is as disingenuous and dangerous as underestimating your enemies. Fred Sanders May 2015 #17
stop making stuff up- for once. I didn't say anything about their strength or lack cali May 2015 #21
Did you trust Republicans in the 1980's? bananas May 2015 #29
It's my understanding that that poster is a Brit cali May 2015 #30
I trust Democratic Party leader and twice elected President Obama - I have verified and I trust. Fred Sanders May 2015 #38
so what? you still aren't a stakeholder in the way a U.S. citizen is. cali May 2015 #44
Verified really? tennstar May 2015 #70
Want to buy a bridge? lark May 2015 #59
Do you have a quote of those "assurances"? Or does it really matter? nm rhett o rick May 2015 #67
Funny how your comment sounds just like the favorite right wing talking point salib May 2015 #73
Well, the last time we adjusted our so called trade policy to suit a "free" trade agreement fasttense May 2015 #33
Thanks for making my point BeyondGeography May 2015 #35
History is and should be part of the equation in figuring out cali May 2015 #36
TPP is not NAFT or WTA, as Obama says, this agreement is unprecedented for worker and climate Fred Sanders May 2015 #74
You're right MFrohike May 2015 #78
I haven't heard about druidity33 May 2015 #81
Blame FDR and Truman. If FDR had not 'liberalized' trade away from the limited pampango May 2015 #39
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast May 2015 #3
How is Krugman "opposed"? Environmental Protections in TPP: Fred Sanders May 2015 #16
Propaganda from our- not yours, of course- governement cali May 2015 #18
That sounds like corporate power will crush any attempt to protect the environment. Enthusiast May 2015 #53
"I’m thumbs down." and "...he basically supported an idealized TPP that could have been, but came Chathamization May 2015 #97
K&R..... daleanime May 2015 #4
Stop the TPP!! AzDar May 2015 #5
K & R x 1,000,000 Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #6
Stampeding on fasle speculation Evar May 2015 #7
So, all of those Democratic congresspeople are fueled by pure speculation and not facts? Dawgs May 2015 #9
Well, you left out the driving factor behind all the 2nd group lark May 2015 #61
Written out of pure lack of knowledge and information. cali May 2015 #10
"The president... is not about to sell us out" is a faith-based assertion HereSince1628 May 2015 #11
You misunderstand Rilgin May 2015 #47
Crazy is not doing your homework. Like this post. jeff47 May 2015 #50
Nice try. Maedhros May 2015 #51
Fine. Release the text of the doc for crowd sourced inspection then......... socialist_n_TN May 2015 #62
OMG. WTF? Phlem May 2015 #63
* L0oniX May 2015 #64
It's not NAFTA, it is MUCH worse. And just because we don't want to send millions of jobs to whereisjustice May 2015 #77
K&R CharlotteVale May 2015 #8
Great post swilton May 2015 #13
Misleading: Environmental groups are against fast track authority...your link says nothing of the sort that Fred Sanders May 2015 #14
They are against Trade Promotion Authority because it kills the TPP cali May 2015 #15
Clickbait. stonecutter357 May 2015 #19
in other words, facts you don't want to deal with. cali May 2015 #22
I await your next/first post with any substance LondonReign2 May 2015 #28
And I Too Await! n/t ChiciB1 May 2015 #54
you think you deserve substance ? stonecutter357 May 2015 #94
I'm certain you are not incapable of substance LondonReign2 May 2015 #96
"don't pretend that the support for the TPP isn't corporate, right wing and republican, and the pampango May 2015 #25
but why do the teathuglicans oppose it? I suspect largely cali May 2015 #27
ODS certainly plays a role but they have opposed international organizations and treaties, pampango May 2015 #31
sure, but why give them any credibility when their opposition is pure nativism? cali May 2015 #32
I do not feel that recognizing their opposition is giving them 'credibility'. The "nativism" that pampango May 2015 #37
I agree with you. If forging a coalition of progressive Democrats and Tea Party Republicans is totodeinhere May 2015 #43
Yes dreamnightwind May 2015 #90
I'm sure your analysis of their reason for opposing it is accurate. But be that as it may totodeinhere May 2015 #42
We will have the same type of Corporatist INdemo May 2015 #26
That pisses off many here dreamnightwind May 2015 #91
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT May 2015 #34
A lot of folks on the right hate it too. nt B2G May 2015 #40
Yeah, but support in congress, corporations and orgs like the Chamber are cali May 2015 #45
Congress doesn't always do what their constituents want B2G May 2015 #46
Not only that but there is substantial bipartisan opposition to TPP. totodeinhere May 2015 #41
....! KoKo May 2015 #48
Here's a right wing site that is against the TPP chknltl May 2015 #49
so? what's your point? cali May 2015 #60
Easy the opposition is not just on the left nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #68
Well three things actually chknltl May 2015 #93
Off topic, sort of. Cleita May 2015 #52
Cleita, I look forward to your post on this and hope you'll x-post it here in GD cali May 2015 #71
"You want to trust President Obama?" Martin Eden May 2015 #55
Amazingly, every Democratic Senator voted against Fast Track, Except Carper n2doc May 2015 #56
If this is anything like the 90s Nafta I am not sure we asjr May 2015 #57
Well said, Cali! Stevepol May 2015 #58
K&R glinda May 2015 #69
K&R And despite what the polls say, I can't find anyone in NE Wisconsin who ... Scuba May 2015 #72
You are all missing a huge aspect of this . . FairWinds May 2015 #89
I wouldn't set foot in there, but I wonder what the freepers are saying. Binkie The Clown May 2015 #92
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