Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Cary

(11,746 posts)
28. Except his record here in Illinois suggests otherwise
Wed May 9, 2012, 06:15 PM
May 2012

And too I know some Illinois State Senators who know him very well. He has a well earned reputation for being thoughtful and contemplative.

I am not suggesting here that I think this particular strategy, if it was a strategy, was correct. Personally I see no good reason for a Democrat to not just come out and be four square in favor of gay marriage, but then I'm not a politician and never every aspire to be one. And too I am of the opinion that there is no appealing to or negotiating with "conservatives" by which I mean the radical right, so insofar as he may have been working that angle I am inclined to disagree with him. On the other hand, in the longer run, I am not so sure that trying to show some "reasonableness" will not pay some dividends.

I doubt he's posturing to gain support. As you said, there is really nowhere else to go. However I will say that I am a little troubled by the idea that gays and lesbians can be used as a political football.

But still compare him to "conservatives". At least President Obama has come out with the correct conclusion, albeit a few years too late. "Conservatives" by contrast are not expanding civil rights, but rather they're busy trying to roll back everyone to the 1950s.

How's that for a contrast?

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

The most pro-gay president in history [View all] bluestateguy May 2012 OP
And yesterday people on DU were calling him a bigot. Shameful. nt gateley May 2012 #1
+1...nt SidDithers May 2012 #2
Shameful indeed--nt wendylaroux May 2012 #3
Oh yes, and he has a SECERT PLAN to CUT Social Security and Medicare! bluestateguy May 2012 #5
He wants to put them on double-secret probation. TheWraith May 2012 #13
Yep. nt ecstatic May 2012 #6
+1 redqueen May 2012 #7
I alerted on one of those comments and the jury voted to leave it alone. That was shameful too. n/t Tx4obama May 2012 #11
Link???? nt msanthrope May 2012 #42
Very shameful and very vulgar. nt Kahuna May 2012 #19
Thank you, Mr. President! nt MineralMan May 2012 #4
A President for all the people. Wait Wut May 2012 #8
...... BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #9
+1 - no doubt! Politicub May 2012 #10
K & R Scurrilous May 2012 #12
K&R BumRushDaShow May 2012 #14
He finally gets it! William769 May 2012 #15
Does anyone seriously believe that President Obama was ever really against gay marriage? Cary May 2012 #16
I doubt it Prophet 451 May 2012 #17
I appreciate that. Cary May 2012 #20
Yes, I do. Ms. Toad May 2012 #21
I actually think his feelings DID evolve, thankfully. It happens, you know. nt gateley May 2012 #22
I am cautiously optimistic. n/t Ms. Toad May 2012 #32
Except his record here in Illinois suggests otherwise Cary May 2012 #28
It is because of the contrast that I supported him in 2008 Ms. Toad May 2012 #35
One more thing Ms Toad Cary May 2012 #30
Two things - Ms. Toad May 2012 #34
Good post. bigwillq May 2012 #41
Yes, I think those who were calling him a bigot sincerely believed he didn't support their rights. gateley May 2012 #23
I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt too. Cary May 2012 #31
I never believed it Renew Deal May 2012 #27
Why wouldn't you give him the benefit of the doubt? Cary May 2012 #29
Indeed! I hope to now see an end to the vulgar name calling of OUR PRESIDENT, this very Kahuna May 2012 #18
I always kind of thought he was secretly pro-marriage equality Barely May 2012 #24
despite his being a pawn 4 t 4 May 2012 #26
Thankfully, our President shows more respect for politicasista May 2012 #25
But you're assuming that everyone who posts here is "a fellow democrat". I'll wager that is far.... Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #33
Ok. politicasista May 2012 #38
Well The Philosopher May 2012 #36
Please watch Rachel's piece on this topic tonight stopwastingmymoney May 2012 #37
Kick...nt SidDithers May 2012 #39
BTTT Scurrilous May 2012 #40
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»The most pro-gay presiden...»Reply #28