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randome

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160. Your 'rose-colored glasses' may be pointing backward.

Reply to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed May 13, 2015, 08:53 AM

May 2015

You need to acknowledge the Present, not simply yearn for the Past, IMO. Look around you. Since the 1980s, this country has been in the grip of a Grand Conservative Experiment. To say that we can shuck all that off if only we insist on more and more is likely naive.

To say we should only accept 'incrementalism' and be happy about it is also wrong. But everyone who tries to change things in the face of this enormous, suffocating Conservative blanket is not our enemy.

Today didn't arrive out of nothing. It's an endpoint to a long, steady march, as are all Todays. I think acknowledging where we are and how we arrived is just as important as wishing things were different.
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"Incremental change" is a Third Way lie. [View all] woo me with science May 2015 OP

It's amazing how easy it is to con people - over and over and over. polichick May 2015 #1

That is the effect of national mythology BainsBane May 2015 #14

An honest and brave prez candidate can help the people see the con... polichick May 2015 #17

Yes BainsBane May 2015 #20

Yet his push for the TPP goes on dreamnightwind May 2015 #67

Defeatism AgingAmerican May 2015 #100

Not at all BainsBane May 2015 #114

Who said a new president is enough to change the system?? No one I know believes sabrina 1 May 2015 #118

The meme says "I'm ready for oligarchy" BainsBane May 2015 #120

The President is really the only national level politician Fumesucker May 2015 #139

it's not so much that we are conned, it's that by the general election our choice is down to getting yurbud May 2015 #24

Agreed, the real choice is made before the election zeemike May 2015 #41

Colorfully but aptly put... polichick May 2015 #99

He consoles himself knowing that if he pushes this turd through hifiguy May 2015 #108

I wonder how the shills sleep at night, too. woo me with science May 2015 #140

"A society that no longer recognizes that the natural world and life... polichick May 2015 #141

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #157

PT Barnum made only one mistake: bvar22 May 2015 #126

It's the basis for capitalism... KansDem May 2015 #127

Incremental change aka evolution. JaneyVee May 2015 #2

+1. Hoyt May 2015 #31

So what happens to our incremental change/evolution when the eco-system collapses? jalan48 May 2015 #53

Crickets dreamnightwind May 2015 #68

I think the question was met with crickets ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #105

If only there wasn't some other explanation mythology May 2015 #116

THAT is a good question to ask Oilwellian May 2015 #89

My father was a prescient man- not just about politics cali May 2015 #71

Shouldn't be hard to test... malthaussen May 2015 #84

We are evolving to the right AgingAmerican May 2015 #101

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #103

"Ask any single person other than straight white christian males" Cali_Democrat May 2015 #110

like how fdr passed the new deal in a couple years. And lbj passed the Doctor_J May 2015 #117

Your post shows a stunning lack of historical knowledge ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #122

wrong again, but I expect little in the way of facts from a BOG er in his twenties Doctor_J May 2015 #123

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #124

I think the Tories were begging our Founders for incremental change. "Please don't revolt" rhett o rick May 2015 #121

Socially yes, economically no LondonReign2 May 2015 #143

Cannot REC this enough CrawlingChaos May 2015 #3

The fan club are at this point as deluded as the limbeciles Doctor_J May 2015 #4

I like single payer BainsBane May 2015 #15

In 2008, we had a Majorities & a window throught which Single Payer could have been passed.... bvar22 May 2015 #132

when you say fan club� are referring to some DU'ers? Cause you then call the fan club KittyWampus May 2015 #33

And in the OP - fellating sheep. Way to insult friends and influence no one. bettyellen May 2015 #119

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ L0oniX May 2015 #5

I kinda think of it as decremental change, myself. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #6

They stick the knife in you 9 inches, pull it out six, and tell you they just made your life better. Ed Suspicious May 2015 #39

Ummm... that brown stuff hasn't been chocolate for a few years. n/t A Simple Game May 2015 #92

Shhhhhh-- Jackpine Radical May 2015 #125

People need to be comforted by lies and denial. They can sleep easier at night. Rex May 2015 #7

UNREC MohRokTah May 2015 #8

Yeah, we killed the native population little by little, JEB May 2015 #10

And the corollaries illustrated in US history are just as true, also... LanternWaste May 2015 #130

There is no such thing as "UNREC." morningfog May 2015 #12

It's all a game to you, isn't it - and it is important to blindly follow your "hero" NRaleighLiberal May 2015 #16

+1 To them that can afford to live, it is a game, canoeist52 May 2015 #134

Are you kidding me? F4lconF16 May 2015 #32

you totally just negate your own words. LOL KittyWampus May 2015 #36

Small steps in society in general vs. many large steps taken by individuals. F4lconF16 May 2015 #51

Yes, but most are only aware of how presidencies have responded to those social movements BainsBane May 2015 #57

Oh yes, FDR is my favorite. F4lconF16 May 2015 #62

The data Piketty assembled and analyzed speaks for itself. hifiguy May 2015 #109

+1 woo me with science May 2015 #146

Snort. progressoid May 2015 #34

. Katashi_itto May 2015 #55

K&R JEB May 2015 #9

Right on! Enthusiast May 2015 #11

Then.....MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. bvar22 May 2015 #128

I never liked the polices of the 1980s Republicans then or now. Enthusiast May 2015 #129

Edit: Their mission is to turn the ECONOMIC polocies of the Democratic Party into the LondonReign2 May 2015 #144

True. Enthusiast May 2015 #145

We can all wish for change BainsBane May 2015 #13

I'm stealing your proposal re: public financing of elections YoungDemCA May 2015 #27

Sure. Of course. BainsBane May 2015 #29

No discussion of how to get that change enacted? F4lconF16 May 2015 #44

You think a revolution is more likely than a constitutional amendment? BainsBane May 2015 #52

I do, actually. F4lconF16 May 2015 #59

I know you haven't said it BainsBane May 2015 #65

It certainly is. F4lconF16 May 2015 #133

As for the local changes BainsBane May 2015 #66

As for racism BainsBane May 2015 #54

100% agree with that. F4lconF16 May 2015 #61

You think the key is public financing of elections tkmorris May 2015 #58

I said I have never seen any politician support it BainsBane May 2015 #60

So, you'd be happier with no health care change if we couldn't get single-payer? brooklynite May 2015 #18

The con is that "we couldn't' get single-payer" - the WH never wanted to get it... polichick May 2015 #19

The delusion is that we could. You can't even outline a way it would have passed. KittyWampus May 2015 #37

Well I can. zeemike May 2015 #48

True - but when the WH makes secret deals with big pharma, etc... polichick May 2015 #96

Hammer, meet nail. hifiguy May 2015 #112

Never. Enthusiast May 2015 #152

+1! Enthusiast May 2015 #151

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast May 2015 #150

You are absolutely correct. This man could have achieved anything. ANYTHING! Greatest mandate ever! Enthusiast May 2015 #149

Remembering the crowds is important... polichick May 2015 #159

Yes. joshcryer May 2015 #42

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious May 2015 #21

I'm happy to see your 840high May 2015 #22

Ditto. Phlem May 2015 #43

"Fellating The One Percent" billhicks76 May 2015 #23

Misdirection is a good word. Enthusiast May 2015 #153

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #158

Barack Obama banned health insurers from discriminating against pre-existing conditions, Nye Bevan May 2015 #25

Not really... Thespian2 May 2015 #80

And what a golden egg it has been Art_from_Ark May 2015 #135

Thanks for the link... Thespian2 May 2015 #136

The Single Payer Prevention Act. Enthusiast May 2015 #155

+1 nt rbnyc May 2015 #138

Perfectly well said! Enthusiast May 2015 #154

incremental outcomes are acceptable IF you went balls to the wall for the ideal first yurbud May 2015 #26

Ideals =/= tangible goals YoungDemCA May 2015 #28

even Obama's compromises on Obamacare would have been acceptable if... yurbud May 2015 #142

Excellent point, agree completely dreamnightwind May 2015 #69

And they can get away with this because it has been prearranged with the media to never mention Enthusiast May 2015 #156

yep. Except it is treated as unremarkable when Republicans pull out all the stops including yurbud May 2015 #161

Unfortunately, banks, corporations and wealthy individuals aren't "pragmatic incrementalists". pa28 May 2015 #30

Reality Check JayNev May 2015 #35

K&R! K&R! K&R! K&R! Phlem May 2015 #38

You are totally wrong about incremental change. Change is like sex. KittyWampus May 2015 #40

Yes, but that beginning dynamic is generally created F4lconF16 May 2015 #46

"the explosive power". LOL KittyWampus May 2015 #49

... F4lconF16 May 2015 #50

Administrative agencies are incrementalist by their very nature. joshcryer May 2015 #45

yep you nailed it nt steve2470 May 2015 #56

Unless you are a corporation who has lobbyists and a large donation to make or withhold dreamnightwind May 2015 #70

That's legislative, administrations not so much. joshcryer May 2015 #72

There may be enough "exceptions" to disprove your point dreamnightwind May 2015 #73

Administrative hands are tied. joshcryer May 2015 #75

Sorry not going to be bullied into agreement dreamnightwind May 2015 #76

No fight necessary. joshcryer May 2015 #83

+1 Reality treestar May 2015 #82

true. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #47

K&R!!!! n/t Michigan-Arizona May 2015 #63

"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy.." BrotherIvan May 2015 #64

^^^^^^This is the truth.^^^^^^ woo me with science May 2015 #77

Amen: Look at the dramatic changes to this nation from the Patriot Act alone. BrotherIvan May 2015 #107

Fantastic post. woo me with science May 2015 #147

You said it BrotherIvan May 2015 #148

At this point I am more concerned about just keeping what we got. DCBob May 2015 #74

. stonecutter357 May 2015 #78

Reminders of what this corporate administration has fought for: woo me with science May 2015 #79

It's history treestar May 2015 #81

Amen, friend. K&R nt TBF May 2015 #85

Never mind that Sanders, Warren, FDR and Kennedy all worked to effect change. Often incrementally. riqster May 2015 #86

I'm flattered. Really. MineralMan May 2015 #87

Add the "no labels" imposters as well. CTyankee May 2015 #88

Yeah, we've had 'incremental change' since 1980. PatrickforO May 2015 #90

How does that saying go ... something like ... Hiraeth May 2015 #91

K & R! TY, woo me! mother earth May 2015 #93

It's a lie told by "centrists" who are comfortable with the status quo to begin with. nt Romulox May 2015 #94

K&R 400 ppm. Some resist, some assist. TY for resisting wmws. nt raouldukelives May 2015 #95

Regarding the JFK quote, OnyxCollie May 2015 #97

DURec leftstreet May 2015 #98

Kick. GoneFishin May 2015 #102

Kicked! ibewlu606 May 2015 #104

This is about the most powerful statement I've ever heard. Gregorian May 2015 #106

Incremental change is what created Walmart, AT&T, and the Oil Giants d_legendary1 May 2015 #111

Kickety rec hifiguy May 2015 #113

The incremental change is always rightward n/t whatchamacallit May 2015 #115

k&r polichick May 2015 #131

word rbnyc May 2015 #137

Your 'rose-colored glasses' may be pointing backward. randome May 2015 #160