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Cali_Democrat

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7. Essentially you're arguing for amendments to parts of the deal you don't like.
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:10 PM
May 2015

There reason why there will be an up-or-down vote and no amendment process is simple.

When it comes to international negotiations, constantly amending agreements is tough.

Especially when it comes to a deal involving so many countries.

Can you imagine what would happen if every country's legislature had the ability to change an agreement and then it would have to be presented again...negotiated...taken back to the legislatures...amended......negotiated...presented again....taken back...etc....etc...etc...

A final agreement of any kind would be nearly impossible.

Remember the Iran deal? Having legislatures amend a deal and force the executives to go back to the negotiating table again and again is nearly impossible because everyone has different interests. The agreement would be evolving for eternity.

There would never be a deal.

One negotiated agreement and an up-or-down vote is the only way it would work, especially a deal involving so many countries.

Congress doesn't like the deal? They can reject it outright with an up-or-down vote.

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There you go asking for ponies. think May 2015 #1
They have a window in which to "debate" - but cannot change, add, or delete a thing. Up or down djean111 May 2015 #2
You will not get an answer to your question. Maedhros May 2015 #3
Some secrets can't be mentioned at all. Octafish May 2015 #19
"Ours is not to reason why...." Or, be given the opportunity to. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #4
Because -- SHUT-UP! That's why. Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #5
They can neither discuss nor debate it? What? uppityperson May 2015 #6
Essentially you're arguing for amendments to parts of the deal you don't like. Cali_Democrat May 2015 #7
Tough, huh? kentuck May 2015 #11
There would never be a deal Cali_Democrat May 2015 #13
What's never been explained is the "fast" part of fast track. Jim Lane May 2015 #14
+1 nt geek tragedy May 2015 #17
Then LET THERE BE NO DEALS! cascadiance May 2015 #15
I guess TPP is so abstract that we mere mortals couldn't unstand it olddots May 2015 #8
Because robbers don't tell you hifiguy May 2015 #9
I think you mean "corporate proprietary and operational secrets" underpants May 2015 #26
because obama. KG May 2015 #10
Because, trickle down and that... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #12
They can debate it, and they can reject it. geek tragedy May 2015 #16
exactly. theoretically, I'm for "fast track" cali May 2015 #21
Agree--strong labor-environmental geek tragedy May 2015 #23
"its a practical necessity"... actually means "facilitated by" HereSince1628 May 2015 #22
It'd be kinda nice to see such urgency put toward something like, oh, climate change deutsey May 2015 #18
Silly Deutsey. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #28
do you mean have the ability to amend? cali May 2015 #20
Imagine the global corporate backing for a POTUS with fast track power. L0oniX May 2015 #24
That's why I oppose Trade Promotion Authority at this time cali May 2015 #25
Because Shaddup. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #27
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