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RichVRichV

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17. I have no problem with a trade deal negotiated in secret.

Wed May 13, 2015, 10:55 PM

May 2015

Most deals are negotiated in secret.

I do have a problem with a secret deal being fast tracked. Fast track should be reserved for something that is open to all, transparent, and obviously wanted by all. Anything negotiated in secret should go through an extensive and long lasting review by the public once it is finalized, and modified to be resubmitted if any obvious flaws are found. Fast track and secret should be mutually exclusive. You can have one or the other, but not both, or it's ripe for corruption.

The other issue I have with these secret deals is that the vast majority of people with access to them are industry insiders. Where are the union people looking out for workers welfare? Where are the environmental groups looking out for the planets welfare? The list could go on and on. You have a very one sided group of people pushing for something in secret that we won't be allowed to properly review or have a chance to fight back against if it's as bad as we suspect.

How can you call that democratic? How can you call that anything but a power grab?

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Rumors leaked about TPP can include CO2-absorbing, electricity-shitting Unicorns; who fucking cares? [View all] cherokeeprogressive May 2015 OP

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It completely befuddles me, as to why this isn't "front page news" everywhere. C Moon May 2015 #6

Because the news media ... staggerleem May 2015 #49

The L.A. Times (yesterday) put an article on the Senate voting down of TPP in the Business section. C Moon May 2015 #52

Name one major trade deal not negotiated in 'secret' and I will give you a Rec. Fred Sanders May 2015 #7

Go back and read the third paragraph. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #8

Don'tcha love it when people post graphs that undermine their own argument? jeff47 May 2015 #9

IKR? laundry_queen May 2015 #14

Trade deals are good for the economy of the 1%. Not so good for the other 315,000,000 people whereisjustice May 2015 #13

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I have no problem with a trade deal negotiated in secret. RichVRichV May 2015 #17

You misrepresent both fast track and the access to the proposed agreement and who negotiated it. Fred Sanders May 2015 #22

I have done no such thing. RichVRichV May 2015 #23

� propos of nothing in particular, for some reason Upton Sinclair's words Jackpine Radical May 2015 #78

Transparency is transparency Plucketeer May 2015 #39

Pearl Harbor was less of a disaster than that analogy. Fred Sanders May 2015 #41

What a handy (and point-avoiding) dismissal. Plucketeer May 2015 #53

Point dismissing and handy was what I was after. Fred Sanders May 2015 #58

Another substanceless reply from Fred. Divernan May 2015 #55

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Hey! Plucketeer May 2015 #69

The "hand" has been shown Plucketeer May 2015 #68

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Name the Labor, Environmental lark May 2015 #66

Shoots hand up.... Plucketeer May 2015 #72

Good start on the truth. lark May 2015 #74

Graph shows we went from breaking even on trade with Mexico to losing our ass. (nm) Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #24

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If I'm not mistaken, sulphurdunn May 2015 #44

WHO'S economy? staggerleem May 2015 #50

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Manufacturing jobs in America are on the increase for the first time in decades. Fred Sanders May 2015 #75

Yes, it's better. lark May 2015 #76

Better than Bush! How deep must the hole be to get the bar that low? cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #85

were gonna need a bigger backhoe frylock May 2015 #86

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I believe that's what I said. Buzz Clik May 2015 #21

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Kick ass post. Thanks. nt GoneFishin May 2015 #35

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nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity. Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #64

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