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134. socialist_n_Tn posted this great nugget of truth a few days ago ...

Wed May 13, 2015, 11:16 PM

May 2015

"The amount of violence in a socialist revolution is in direct proportion to the amount of violence that the state and the capitalist system uses to PROTECT said system."

When the change happens, the more we can bond together as communities and as a working class, the more likely we are to have any chance at surviving and perhaps even thriving through this. It won't be an easy road, and though I am for peace, those who hold power will not give it up easily. Baltimore could only stay oppressed for so long--that is a glimpse of what a real revolution will look like: they will use the police in the beginning, and the military in the end. The question is, how many will stand with the working class, and how many will become lackeys for the state and the capitalist class?

Many advocate for avoiding a revolution--I think to do so is to ignore the realities of crisis that are coming. We will have revolution whether we want it or not. I would prefer to do so with the full will of the oppressed behind it, in the spirit of solidarity and class power.

To be a pacifist is a worthy goal; I can understand that and even am to some extent myself. Violence is something that deeply bothers me, no matter the type or extent. Acting to harm another goes against the core of my being. But seeing violence acted upon my brothers and sisters by a state and class is even worse. I'll fight to protect them, avoiding violence as much as I can, but not shunning the possibility that it may happen in response.

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TPP goes forward. [View all] mmonk May 2015 OP

It's just unbelievable marym625 May 2015 #1

A very familiar pattern by now. woo me with science May 2015 #80

Yeah. It's all such bullshit. marym625 May 2015 #128

Yes..... sendero May 2015 #129

TPTB have successfully implemented their vision/strategy. Two parties, one outcome. (my new book) NYC_SKP May 2015 #140

I understand. We all reach a breaking point. I did that myself after Dimon Autumn May 2015 #2

I am with you, sir or madam. djean111 May 2015 #3

Bernie shall be nominated, RoccoR5955 May 2015 #11

Me too. closeupready May 2015 #73

The fix is in, just as it always has been for the last 35 years. hifiguy May 2015 #4

Oh, it's going to collapse. The *only* remaining question is: at what cost? villager May 2015 #29

A thorough systemic collapse hifiguy May 2015 #41

Humans making deliberately wise decisions about their social and economic structures... villager May 2015 #49

Shitting Robots You Can Believe In! Octafish May 2015 #102

I love it! RoccoR5955 May 2015 #139

Will there be an ark? A way of surviving? jwirr May 2015 #108

It won't be needed. hifiguy May 2015 #110

Thank you. That is clearer. Me and my family are already about half way there. Poor and working jwirr May 2015 #124

I think lhat a part of it will be hifiguy May 2015 #126

I think we can see this throughout history. But for most of my life I have been a pacifist. I hate jwirr May 2015 #127

socialist_n_Tn posted this great nugget of truth a few days ago ... F4lconF16 May 2015 #134

I especially like the 2nd paragraph. We must stand together. jwirr May 2015 #135

Do you have a link to the OP with that quote? hifiguy May 2015 #141

And Obama Go Vols May 2015 #65

I'm right there with you MissDeeds May 2015 #75

I just changed back to the Dems. sadoldgirl May 2015 #5

Unaffiliated folks will still get their serving of crow when the TPP turns out to be a good deal. tridim May 2015 #6

Oh, it's a great deal.... daleanime May 2015 #7

What's your evidence? Julian Assange? tridim May 2015 #21

Simply my own eyes, where's all the profit in this economy been going? daleanime May 2015 #27

Based on what? Obama's word? Autumn May 2015 #8

Yes. nt tridim May 2015 #17

Enjoy your crow then , Democratic crow will taste no better than Unaffiliated crow. Autumn May 2015 #19

I'm not worried. tridim May 2015 #23

I'm not proud of either at this time. Autumn May 2015 #25

DU used to be Democratic Underground. I don't think it is anymore. leftofcool May 2015 #28

Well, it used be more "Underground." Where it was understood that meant questioning... villager May 2015 #31

It was started during the Bush years, when all Democrats felt more underground. pnwmom May 2015 #86

Yes, it was started then and I was posting then, and the spirit was more "Underground" villager May 2015 #89

That was your impression, but not mine. I feel that over the years this site has attracted pnwmom May 2015 #103

Interesting. I've seen a more vociferous defense of formerly right-tilted positions here villager May 2015 #112

I agree. nt Mojorabbit May 2015 #130

It's become FarLeftUnderground. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #39

That is ridiculous. ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #46

If the shoe fits. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #50

It doesn't. Sorry holding Dem values is not far left. ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #54

+1 Go Vols May 2015 #70

What about basic Dem principles does the TPP violate? MohRokTah May 2015 #91

I hear ya. I am a Truman Dem who still identifies as a Centrist, I catch a lot of flak. riqster May 2015 #58

Faux Dems hijack the party then move it right and call you Far Left. Crazy how that works. Broward May 2015 #63

you got it G_j May 2015 #94

FDR haters. L0oniX May 2015 #97

I see that also. One damn sure thing this issue and the insults that are flying from the WH and many jwirr May 2015 #114

No kidding! leftofcool May 2015 #107

Oh please . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #115

Oh please... MohRokTah May 2015 #120

Wanna know something? F4lconF16 May 2015 #132

Only because the DLC RoccoR5955 May 2015 #138

Yes - when our Presidents were true Democrats. 840high May 2015 #85

+1. Hoyt May 2015 #35

It is sounding more and more like a cult of personality zeemike May 2015 #81

He said it'd work out. He didn't elaborate on for whom. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #96

I feel sorry for you. 840high May 2015 #82

I keep asking you folks, got any lotto numbers? n2doc May 2015 #9

+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast May 2015 #32

I agree. Aerows May 2015 #42

And if she's elected hifiguy May 2015 #43

It's different this time awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #72

Do you get to eat crow when it fails? mmonk May 2015 #10

Sure, why not. nt tridim May 2015 #18

While many notible people have given many ways this can be bad, NO ONE has come forward rhett o rick May 2015 #12

From above - we get crow to eat if it works out. That's about the most positive jtuck004 May 2015 #24

If they do something to minimize currency manipulation, it will Hoyt May 2015 #47

The President has said he will veto any bill that requires curbs on currency manipulation n/t n2doc May 2015 #104

Unfortunately crow, squirrel, and possum are all any of us has to look forward to should TPP pass. bluesbassman May 2015 #26

+1 Enthusiast May 2015 #34

Bwahahahahahah L0oniX May 2015 #95

So we get to eat Crow if it Passes (Celebration Dinner) , after that we get Cat Food bahrbearian May 2015 #111

Grrrr ananda May 2015 #13

I only hope your judgment is not harsh. I will vote my only option mmonk May 2015 #14

Right there with you Robbins May 2015 #15

Don't stay home. F4lconF16 May 2015 #136

Time to find a new country newfie11 May 2015 #16

Like which country? Canada? Cali_Democrat May 2015 #20

Good call... Thespian2 May 2015 #78

Europeans are into free trade too Cali_Democrat May 2015 #87

Just saying Thespian2 May 2015 #131

Yeah. And the Europeans are protesting the TTIP. Looks like this new corporate-controlled "trade" djean111 May 2015 #90

Ecuador nt newfie11 May 2015 #123

Good luck finding one not part of the TPP. leftofcool May 2015 #30

Ecuador newfie11 May 2015 #121

i here russia is a nice place stonecutter357 May 2015 #36

One in the Scandinavia sounds good to me. L0oniX May 2015 #116

"When an elephant flies, you don't blame it because it can't stay up there very long." Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #22

Most of the Democrats in Congress will likely vote against TPP. Unvanguard May 2015 #33

That isn't the point. Why fast track it? still_one May 2015 #40

Most Democrats in Congress might also vote against fast track. Unvanguard May 2015 #44

Maybe, but I suspect they got the cover they needed, it will be fast tracked still_one May 2015 #55

Sure. Fast track will probably get passed. Unvanguard May 2015 #64

Sherrod Brown who did his pomp and circumstance yesterday, had no problem with still_one May 2015 #37

Goes forward proudly displaying a fresh coat of lipstick. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #38

They think they have their cover, and we are idiots. They will vote against the TPP still_one May 2015 #45

Oink. hifiguy May 2015 #51

So I guess Obama has delivered a stinging counter blow to the Populist Dems? MohRokTah May 2015 #48

Obama and the Republicans. bahrbearian May 2015 #113

You forgot the Democrats, too. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #119

Note our corrupt corporate Dems took the time to *pretend* they opposed it first. woo me with science May 2015 #52

Will the Oregonites aspirant May 2015 #83

It's Oregonians and no, not if he votes for it the delay will just irk people more. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #105

Nope. F4lconF16 May 2015 #137

.....!!!!!!!!!!!! KoKo May 2015 #88

+1000 MissDeeds May 2015 #92

To everyone that opposes the TPP Aerows May 2015 #53

.. and those who support them without asking questions. ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #56

The only reason Aerows May 2015 #59

I don't know if I am for or against it, but I am against fast tracking it still_one May 2015 #57

Well how in the hell can you know whether to be for or against it Aerows May 2015 #60

The joke is that fast track authority only requires a simple majority, so you are correct still_one May 2015 #62

If it was so good for the public Aerows May 2015 #69

It's sad that the sycophants are so personally invested in some politician that they actually cheer Marr May 2015 #61

Not really, there is a certain type of person that has hated liberals all their lives. Rex May 2015 #67

It's absolute folly. Aerows May 2015 #84

+1 darkangel218 May 2015 #101

This is disappointing Jack Rabbit May 2015 #66

If Democrats won't look after JEB May 2015 #68

So does that mean that all the high fives and "Thanks, everybody but Obama!!one" posts yesterday Number23 May 2015 #71

Looks like it. leftofcool May 2015 #109

The TPP is NOT good for America................... PumpkinAle May 2015 #74

So, doesn't the final agreement still have to be ratified by the Senate? Calista241 May 2015 #76

Yes, but with a republican-controlled Senate it's pretty-much a done deal. Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #106

Yep. No more facade. woo me with science May 2015 #77

I became an Independent - can't take it anymore. 840high May 2015 #79

At this rate, I might not be far behind you n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #117

... 840high May 2015 #133

So you finally decided the grand illusion was too costly? You know the plutocracy can buy Rex May 2015 #93

so do we think the XL pipeline is also a forgone conclusion? G_j May 2015 #98

I'm going to wait so I can vote for Bernie MissDeeds May 2015 #99

FDR haters have no business calling themselves Democrats. L0oniX May 2015 #100

+1000! n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #118

Good grief.. you people are all worked up over something that doesnt even exist yet. DCBob May 2015 #122

I'm waiting for a rendition of Aerows May 2015 #125