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20. hey,didn't you know that FDR came back from the dead in 1995

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Thu May 14, 2015, 05:57 AM

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to create the WTO?

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Meet the Father of Free Trade. [View all] Drunken Irishman May 2015 OP

Yes, but his trade agreements were about the import and export of real products. They were not jwirr May 2015 #1

He heavily taxed corporations and the rich people who owned them and regulated those corporations pampango May 2015 #30

Exactly. That's the key. Hoyt May 2015 #54

Yes, but I don't know that those people will not just leave the country if we try that now. They jwirr May 2015 #65

Let em leave and good riddance; they just need to forfeit their assets. That'd be fine with me. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #66

I agree. jwirr May 2015 #67

They might. Probably not. They have not left Europe, Canada, etc. in any significant way. pampango May 2015 #69

Yes,that is true. jwirr May 2015 #71

Exactly. He wouldn't be very pleased with oil companies getting billions of free dollars raouldukelives May 2015 #70

Lulz Jesus Malverde May 2015 #2

+1 joshcryer May 2015 #15

True that. nt okaawhatever May 2015 #3

Lol, not even a 'nice try'. sabrina 1 May 2015 #4

FDR's view of free trade was that brentspeak May 2015 #5

Thank you.^^^ RiverLover May 2015 #8

I don't think it's so much "ignorance" as it is Art_from_Ark May 2015 #56

He created the WTO and IMF. joshcryer May 2015 #11

How old are you, again? MrMickeysMom May 2015 #21

Um, FDR created the IBRD and IMF. joshcryer May 2015 #31

Yeah, josh…. I am... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #75

Complete revisionism. FDR does not equal Obama. FDR undetstood the Exilednight May 2015 #79

The WTO dates from 1994. GATT was established in 1948. Roosevelt was kind of dead by then. Scootaloo May 2015 #59

GATT was part of FDR's ITO. It was supposed to be a temporary organization to facilitate trade until pampango May 2015 #64

I have often thought that we would be much better off if each region provided jobs and products jwirr May 2015 #68

Yes. moondust May 2015 #73

Cant add anything to that excellent history lesson. hifiguy May 2015 #84

Who can argue with that? I guess the investor courts and the intellectual property provisions are neverforget May 2015 #6

The Father of Free Trade was the first man to be run over by a locomotive muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #7

FDR passed WTO and IMF. joshcryer May 2015 #14

Fear of the unknown is a hard fear for some to overcome. Major Hogwash May 2015 #9

bzzzt Flailing fail. falling down drunk fail. cali May 2015 #10

The WTO and IMF "bear little resemblance" to NAFTA? joshcryer May 2015 #12

Trade deals have become less and less, since NAFTA, about the nuts and bolts of cali May 2015 #16

No…. the poster DOES NOT get it... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #22

Do you support the WTO and IMF? joshcryer May 2015 #25

WTO (IBRD) and IMF are inherently NOT protectionist. joshcryer May 2015 #36

focus, josh- and try to respond to the facts: cali May 2015 #62

He sure shut up quickly. Bonobo May 2015 #76

This is TWM level discussion. joshcryer May 2015 #13

Say what, josh? I thought FDR was long dead in 1995 when the WTO cali May 2015 #17

Even the GATT negotiations didn't start until 1946 muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #23

IBRD was the foundation for WTO. joshcryer May 2015 #28

The World Bank? it's quite a different beast (nt) muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #35

IBRD is the BANK. joshcryer May 2015 #38

Yes, and that is not, in any form, GATT, the WTO, or free trade agreements muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #39

How does this happen without IBRD or the IMF? joshcryer May 2015 #40

The IMF is about international monetary stability muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #51

Bretton Woods Conference joshcryer May 2015 #26

Trying to use FDR to bolster your argument cali May 2015 #48

Yes, Josh and the world is exactly like it was back then too! Bonobo May 2015 #18

hey,didn't you know that FDR came back from the dead in 1995 cali May 2015 #20

The world is far more interconnected. joshcryer May 2015 #27

Yeah, so what? Bonobo May 2015 #44

So it was OK to pass those trade agreements then? joshcryer May 2015 #45

Now you are talking a different conversation. Bonobo May 2015 #50

So FDR is irrelevant to the 21st century? Is that the new liberal point of view? pampango May 2015 #34

I'd argue that in many ways, he isn't very germane cali May 2015 #37

Hoo boy. The spinning is growing ever more desperate. marmar May 2015 #19

Another lie. 99Forever May 2015 #24

"FDR was the father of modern globalization, a fact that both modern Democrats and Republicans choose pampango May 2015 #29

+1 joshcryer May 2015 #33

We don't live in that world. It's less than honest to pretend we do cali May 2015 #41

You are right. We don't live in the same world that FDR did. We live in the world he helped create. pampango May 2015 #47

The benefits are taxed, and can be taxed more. Hoyt May 2015 #55

Are you insane? Taxes? The repukes are in the process of eliminating taxes on the wealthy and Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #77

They are taxed, although as I've said, the regs need to be tightened. As to insanity? Hoyt May 2015 #78

FDR opposed FASCISM Octafish May 2015 #32

FDR used the power of the state to control corporations and the rich. He also proposed pampango May 2015 #43

ITO isn't WTO Octafish May 2015 #52

Never said that it was. It would have been much better than the WTO. pampango May 2015 #61

Well that makes it okay then... Feron May 2015 #42

But did he take away tariffs that protected industry using Americans to build products? cascadiance May 2015 #46

That is exactly what he did. pampango May 2015 #49

You got to quote the 1936 GOP platform to connect FDR to supporting TPP? Octafish May 2015 #53

No. My response was to a post about tariffs. TPP has little to do with tariffs which are already low pampango May 2015 #58

Kindred spirits. nt Romulox May 2015 #82

Good thing this is not a history test, FDR is NOT the father of free trade. Rex May 2015 #57

YAwn ...another FDR hater. L0oniX May 2015 #60

If that means somewhere there's a fucked up stepdad... cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author moondust May 2015 #72

Meet the Mother of Inane OPs whatchamacallit May 2015 #74

Nothing with FDR qualifies under "inane" fadedrose May 2015 #81

Yes, it was a response to whatchamacallit May 2015 #83

That isn't John C. Calhoun MFrohike May 2015 #80