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jeff47

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11. They won't be paying more or re-shoring jobs.

Thu May 14, 2015, 11:01 AM

May 2015

Because we already have free trade agreements with almost all of the countries in the TPP.

The only significant economy where the TPP cuts tariffs against US goods is Japan. That tariff is currently 1.2%. If you think 1.2% makes us uncompetitive, you'd have to think sales taxes in the US are utterly annihilating the US economy.

The TPP isn't about trade. The backers of the TPP want to claim it is about trade because that is a much easier sale. If it was about trade, it would involve countries where there currently are significant trade barriers.

The TPP is about capital. Right now, foreign investment is much riskier than investment in the US - we have a stable government with a long, stable judicial history in which to assess risk. You don't have to worry about a coup/revolution suddenly taking away your stripmine.

The TPP is designed to reduce risk for capital, so that US capital can be more safely used to fund foreign businesses.

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Let's clear the air around TPP [View all] whereisjustice May 2015 OP

K&R..... daleanime May 2015 #1

Oh, hey, they just need to soak those fish in bleach and then package them up with no djean111 May 2015 #2

Another view -- Hoyt May 2015 #3

So our unemployed Americans just need to move to Celaya, Mexico Autumn May 2015 #5

Those workers in Mexico were making 50 cents a day before. Mexico is not unlike America Hoyt May 2015 #6

I made 19 dollars an hour and had health insurance I could afford to use. Autumn May 2015 #9

Our young people can be trained to do jobs that un/limited-skilled workers can't do. Hoyt May 2015 #23

Name the jobs that un/limited-skilled workers can't do that our young people will be trained for? Autumn May 2015 #27

And those workers in America are now making zero cents a day. jeff47 May 2015 #10

What American goods do you see being made here in this future you see that they can buy? Autumn May 2015 #14

Great for Mexico. We don't live there and we can't upaloopa May 2015 #33

+1 Estevan May 2015 #45

Yes, we need a free trade agreement with the countries where we already have free trade agreements jeff47 May 2015 #46

I've found the view quite disappointing. Hoyt May 2015 #50

"taxing multinational corporations" Nice dream ya got there. L0oniX May 2015 #49

how much retraining does it take G_j May 2015 #59

Actually, if conditions improve in Mexico, I imagine people coming to the US from Mexico Cerridwen May 2015 #8

They won't be paying more or re-shoring jobs. jeff47 May 2015 #11

And if it doesn't pass? How does that change? Does it change? Cerridwen May 2015 #12

If it doesn't pass, pretty much nothing changes for labor. jeff47 May 2015 #16

Hmmm. Thank you for more "food for thought." Cerridwen May 2015 #18

It stops the Perpetual Profiteers from unfettered rape of the planet and its local economies. Ford_Prefect May 2015 #20

And if any of those countries don't have those protections in place? Cerridwen May 2015 #22

TPP and TPIP could gut financial reform here. Ford_Prefect May 2015 #53

Did you mean to reply to me? I was talking about other countries and you're Cerridwen May 2015 #54

Oh, yeah, advanced European countries and Canada, Japan, etc., are going to sign Hoyt May 2015 #61

A question for you. What improvement in employment opportunities for people in the US do you see Autumn May 2015 #13

What improvement do I see? None or not much to crow about. Cerridwen May 2015 #17

Now see that's just what I see. Autumn May 2015 #21

I agree. Cerridwen May 2015 #24

Why should they come here when we are also a third upaloopa May 2015 #34

Precisely. Cerridwen May 2015 #37

You are aware that the immigration from Mexico has been down for the past few years, yes? jtuck004 May 2015 #43

No, I wasn't sure if that was true or not. If true, good news? Cerridwen May 2015 #47

Given our unemployment, and our reliance on mcjobs to pretend at an economy for most working people, jtuck004 May 2015 #60

"Wages aren't up to US standards" AgingAmerican May 2015 #15

I'm fine with unions, but there are only 11.5% of workers in unions nowadays. Hoyt May 2015 #25

Union leaders in 3rd world countries are still getting murdered and the TPP doesn't protect that think May 2015 #30

Murder is a violation under the nation's laws, period. No need to put it in a trade Hoyt May 2015 #31

Unions = middle class AgingAmerican May 2015 #38

No. Human rights SHOULD be addressed in trade agreements. Supporting countries that allow abuses is think May 2015 #39

Man you just don't get it do you? upaloopa May 2015 #35

"Wake the fuck up!" BeanMusical May 2015 #55

Your 'fine' with them? AgingAmerican May 2015 #36

Really? You think $2.47 an hour is good? fasttense May 2015 #26

They earned 50 cents a day before. Typical Nationalist response -- they are selling crap. Hoyt May 2015 #32

You are the one pushing RW neoliberalism AgingAmerican May 2015 #40

The corporations make the crap. Not the workers in the factories. fasttense May 2015 #57

And when the TPP passes, US wages will decrease to the same level as the 'better than usual' sabrina 1 May 2015 #29

Notice how this response was carefully ignored by the corporate debater. woo me with science May 2015 #63

I'm an American. You love Mexico? Move there. grahamhgreen May 2015 #44

Certainly bemusing to see imaginary red and blue lines given precedence over actual people. LanternWaste May 2015 #58

Americans are real too. We need jobs too. We need a living wage too. Screwing American grahamhgreen May 2015 #62

A wonderful legacy to leave for our children. historylovr May 2015 #4

Bingo. 99Forever May 2015 #7

The uber-rich kings of their corporate kingdoms cannot evade the earth disaster they are creating. Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #19

k/r 840high May 2015 #28

There are people that believe in climate change & addressing it. raouldukelives May 2015 #41

Do you honestly believe President Obama is pro-pollution all over the planet? tridim May 2015 #42

Yes let's fucking clear the air. This is also what free trade means. People will fucking die: Autumn May 2015 #48

There will be no clear air with TPP. Jamastiene May 2015 #51

K/R Jack Rabbit May 2015 #52

And when the country gets big enough to start making labor laws d_legendary1 May 2015 #56