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88. Chess is not segregated

Fri May 15, 2015, 09:13 AM

May 2015

The person who is world champion is the one that beats the world champion in a match. Gender has absolutely nothing to do with that. Women players play in the same tournaments as men, and play mostly against men (since there are more men chess players).

Right now the highest ranked woman in the world is #55. She has all the same opportunities to become #1 as the people who are #54 and #56 and #143423.

The fact that there is a championship process to determine the best woman chess player is not "segregation" in any meaningful sense. I suppose we could just ignore the question of who the best woman chess player in the world is, and say "well, it doesn't matter, because she's not good enough to beat the top men". But that seems completely counter productive.

Are we essentially arguing that determining who is best within a subset is "segregation"?

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Why are sports teams segregated by gender? [View all] closeupready May 2015 OP

For any given sport, I thought most teams were segregated by geography Cali_Democrat May 2015 #1

Indeed. Bathrooms too. immoderate May 2015 #2

Exactly. The answer, apparently, is 'obvious' yet closeupready May 2015 #9

Have you ever actually been in a men's bathroom?? B2G May 2015 #20

If women want to share our pissed-soaked shitholes Codeine May 2015 #59

Privacy and safety. It wouldn't be a problem if all bathrooms were single locked rooms, pnwmom May 2015 #77

To ensure woman have an opportunity to compete and excel hack89 May 2015 #3

Chess is segregated by sex Yupster May 2015 #58

That is really odd. hifiguy May 2015 #69

Neither do most chessplayers Yupster May 2015 #74

Probably the fear of losing to a woman more than anything. bemildred May 2015 #95

Nah, If you're a chessplayer Yupster May 2015 #102

I am. bemildred May 2015 #103

In the 80's I three times got my rating over 2000 Yupster May 2015 #110

I played postal, mostly, and over-the-board with friends. bemildred May 2015 #113

Good story, by the way. nt bemildred May 2015 #115

Chess is not athletics Drahthaardogs May 2015 #82

Now you done did it. Yavin4 May 2015 #93

LOL. bemildred May 2015 #98

That's dumb. There is no reason for that to be segregated. treestar May 2015 #84

Chess is not segregated metalbot May 2015 #88

No, I did not realize that the women can compete with the men treestar May 2015 #94

Yes that's true Yupster May 2015 #99

huh? because of the obvious. cali May 2015 #4

As obvious as Ira Aldridge being the first black man to play Othello on a U.S. stage. LanternWaste May 2015 #16

ridiculous comparison. cali May 2015 #67

Why are sports teams segregated by age? daleanime May 2015 #5

why separated by the type of ball being used DrDan May 2015 #15

Why not a cube or some other shape besides spherical? daleanime May 2015 #18

exactly - why not a game with a prolate spheroid? DrDan May 2015 #31

Why not 'nite' instead of fucking 'night'?! closeupready May 2015 #36

you got something against "knight"? DrDan May 2015 #42

Because co-ed ice hockey would be cruel and unusual BeyondGeography May 2015 #6

Hayley Wickenheiser, daughter of NHL star Doug Wickenheiser KamaAina May 2015 #10

I know; they play nicer over there BeyondGeography May 2015 #13

we had a girl or two on my kids high school hockey team dembotoz May 2015 #43

So they played but had to be protected? Goblinmonger May 2015 #96

Ice hockey is cruel and unusual. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #101

Coed teams aren't cyberswede May 2015 #7

How would co-ed basketball look in NCAA games? nt geek tragedy May 2015 #8

Wheelchair sports teams generally are not KamaAina May 2015 #11

What is your point? cwydro May 2015 #12

Stumped? closeupready May 2015 #24

duh. Buzz Clik May 2015 #14

I disagree. closeupready May 2015 #26

Who gives a shit? Buzz Clik May 2015 #30

Certainly, I don't care if you don't care. closeupready May 2015 #35

At least we agree on that. Buzz Clik May 2015 #40

I have no idea. trumad May 2015 #17

You sure about that?? I only see a building with arms and legs. hifiguy May 2015 #28

Ok. Which side of the ball is he lined up on? Lochloosa May 2015 #33

He lines up anywhere he wants to. hifiguy May 2015 #39

For some reason the name yuiyoshida May 2015 #112

Do you think they shouldn't be? B2G May 2015 #19

Is that not sexism? closeupready May 2015 #22

No, it's not B2G May 2015 #27

It is, though. You are just being antagonistic, as usual. closeupready May 2015 #34

Later gator. B2G May 2015 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author WestCoastLib May 2015 #52

Wow - that's a remarkably un-self-aware post muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #55

Thank you. nt cwydro May 2015 #66

If men were allowed on the LPGA tour, do you think a woman would ever win again? Major Nikon May 2015 #71

they should not be if there is a woman who can qualify treestar May 2015 #85

Golf is open JustABozoOnThisBus May 2015 #90

Maybe that's why sports are so important now treestar May 2015 #92

Because men, in general, are stronger and faster than women philosslayer May 2015 #21

its all about market segments olddots May 2015 #23

Look at an NFL game and you'll find your answer. With that Exilednight May 2015 #25

The NBA Would Be Another Place To Uncover Clues ProfessorGAC May 2015 #29

Why are wrestlers segregated by weight? progressoid May 2015 #32

Because male and female bodies are physically different. MohRokTah May 2015 #37

OK-The large majority of women would not be able to compete. alphafemale May 2015 #38

The St Paul Saints minor league team hifiguy May 2015 #41

That's the Veeck family keeping up old traditions. cloudbase May 2015 #61

Mmm. Grain Belt... hifiguy May 2015 #64

Because the Oligarch Rulers have determined thats the way it should be...nt SidDithers May 2015 #45

Maybe you can make a real post next time. nt Logical May 2015 #46

Maybe boys would be too embarrassed to be in a dog-pile with the Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #47

Their celebrations are way better than the No Fun League LittleBlue May 2015 #54

Ultimate frisbee. Lots of co-ed teams. SheilaT May 2015 #48

Winner! Most ostuse orginal thread. For a follow up, you should ask, FSogol May 2015 #49

Is this a serious question? LittleBlue May 2015 #50

Because Obama. n/t Gormy Cuss May 2015 #51

Payback for Eve's transgression WestCoastLib May 2015 #53

I've seen lots of girls play little league with the boys. tridim May 2015 #56

The size and strength disparities start showing up in the teenage years. Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #81

Because men are smarter and women can't compete with them. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #57

Same reason things like powerlifting and boxing have weight classes. Marr May 2015 #60

Why can someone that is born with athletic ability and is dumb as doc03 May 2015 #62

Now THAT is a damn good question. hifiguy May 2015 #70

To piss you off tritsofme May 2015 #63

Muscle density n/t Motown_Johnny May 2015 #65

All equestrian sports are co-ed teams nt riderinthestorm May 2015 #68

Social norms. Ingrained gender dispairities in our society combined with sexism mean that men and Chathamization May 2015 #72

Soccer isn't as big in the US The2ndWheel May 2015 #89

Now compare viewers of the NFL and the WFA. It is sexism when we see a huge discrepency between Chathamization May 2015 #91

Are women more interested in watching male athletes playing at the pro level? The2ndWheel May 2015 #97

True, but like you mention it's a reflection of sexism in our culture. Women's sports aren't valued Chathamization May 2015 #100

If you want to call that sexism, fine The2ndWheel May 2015 #104

But we already agreed the discrepency in athletes is not the result of inherent physical ability Chathamization May 2015 #105

This statement indicates you simply don't know what you're talking about. Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #107

You can't change your height, but you can change how heavy, fast, strong, quick, etc. you are Chathamization May 2015 #108

Thanks for the laughs. Its been fun. Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #109

Cuz... 99Forever May 2015 #73

mainly because half the people I was with believed it until I explained the situation to them Dr. Strange May 2015 #75

^^^ This is the most appropriate answer. Iggo May 2015 #86

because they cannot segregate by color any more. eom guillaumeb May 2015 #76

MMMMMMM... Iggo May 2015 #78

I see what you did there. flying rabbit May 2015 #79

Wait romanic May 2015 #80

Tradition treestar May 2015 #83

The reason for women-only sports is obvious. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #87

In a physical world size matters seveneyes May 2015 #106

Matriarchy! Snow Leopard May 2015 #111

Yeah, okay. How about maybe 340-pound female football players are hard to find? WinkyDink May 2015 #114

Discrimination and sexism Cassidy1 May 2015 #116

Because I am short and do not weigh a lot. I personally do not want to play with the big boys. jwirr May 2015 #117