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seabeyond

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242. people are so busy looking for an agenda, they ignore the obvious.

Fri May 15, 2015, 11:44 AM

May 2015

my post is disjointed because i was confused. i asked a question that i knew i am not allowed to ask because of this fuckin blind bullshit i refuse to participate in. political question. about what that whole tpa 'to do' was about.

first i hear. warren locked it! boxer cant take notes! then.... dems are pulling a STUNT! it isnt blocked. they are voting for it. oh NOES!!11!1!!! i wake up to threads, that those DEMS... pulled a stunt, too old for this, i am done!!!

i wanted to know what people were fucking going on about.

people were so busy calling me out for an imagined agenda, they could not even bother to answer me.

i found the information elsewhere. certainly by no one on this thread.

it was a political move, by the dems, to get some bills included, that is done often in washington.

wow.

so different than the headlines i was reading. right? hence my confusion my bad. looking for what was really going on.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] seabeyond May 2015 OP

Transparency? cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #1

please, just quit playing games. you want to know something? ask! seabeyond May 2015 #2

OK. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #3

ok. transparency. i do not know what you are talking about... so done. seabeyond May 2015 #4

I guess you forgot your asking this question: cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #23

well... then, and thank you for finally taking effort to clarify. i disagree. i am being transparent seabeyond May 2015 #28

What you're being transparent about is your perception that it's a stunt. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #34

is it a stunt or not. simple question. not about me ... dude. seabeyond May 2015 #37

"dude"? Srsly? cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #70

For one thing, Sanders does not dial for dollars from corporations and their JDPriestly May 2015 #184

Yup madokie May 2015 #188

none of that addressed what i asked. nt seabeyond May 2015 #191

Very specifically, Pink? Really? A stunt? JDPriestly May 2015 #196

Thank You JD Priestly Nevada Blue May 2015 #222

What do you really mean by a political stunt? JDPriestly May 2015 #193

It would help if you actually asked a question. kenfrequed May 2015 #5

i want to know if warren and sanders participated in two political stunts. if so, dont we have to seabeyond May 2015 #7

"I want to know" Bonobo May 2015 #8

YOU, are one i will not take seriously. you, are one that makes shit up, and then argues from that seabeyond May 2015 #12

You don't take them seriously. That's a shame. NCTraveler May 2015 #18

not in addressing me. as a whole? yes i do. hence the continual addressing of the social/economic seabeyond May 2015 #22

such a sober, respectful voice geek tragedy May 2015 #26

yes. he consistently giggles at vulgarly denigrating women thru language of a question. nt seabeyond May 2015 #32

I was making the point that posting about small penis size as a joke is no different Bonobo May 2015 #231

So... kenfrequed May 2015 #31

stopping at the first sentence. i am not the one claiming stunt. the populist on du are.... seabeyond May 2015 #47

Direct quote: kenfrequed May 2015 #56

i'm not allowed to ask a political question, involving democrats on a democratic board? seabeyond May 2015 #62

So... kenfrequed May 2015 #91

ASKING if it is a stunt, while populists on du are calling it a stunt. have issue with the word seabeyond May 2015 #94

Well no. kenfrequed May 2015 #97

you argue, creating a bogus argument and have the guts to call me a liar? seabeyond May 2015 #102

I already quoted you once. kenfrequed May 2015 #103

"fake-question accusation" they were not fake. you argue fake. that is you making up an argument. seabeyond May 2015 #106

I am done with you. kenfrequed May 2015 #108

ya. done. make up and argument. call me a liar. and done. i hear ya. ah ha.... seabeyond May 2015 #110

Populists are NOT calling anything Sanders and Warren did a stunt afaik. cui bono May 2015 #230

I agree. nt cyberswede May 2015 #235

You have a right to be suspicious of a politician's pose... Orsino May 2015 #38

seeing how anally pragmatic i am.... i cant help but see it in all and everywhere. just how i walk seabeyond May 2015 #48

No they didn't. sabrina 1 May 2015 #52

populist said sanders puts the bill up yearly, knowing nothing will happen. what is that? seabeyond May 2015 #54

Why do you think that good bills like Sanders' need to be introduced over and over again? sabrina 1 May 2015 #118

you post has nothing to do with what i am talking about. you changed the conversation. seabeyond May 2015 #122

NO! You cannot ask questions about the DU chosen one! MoonRiver May 2015 #131

i was an obama supporter, calling out the sexism to palin/clinton. just the kind of woman, i am. nt seabeyond May 2015 #134

I was a Hillary supporter and endured a miserable time here during the primary. MoonRiver May 2015 #140

it seems to be moonriver. doesnt mean i will shut up. i need factual information to process and seabeyond May 2015 #143

I applaud you seabeyond! MoonRiver May 2015 #150

Sea, not sure what is going on today, but you seem to be looking for a fight Marrah_G May 2015 #144

wrong. i asked to be informed. i have people saying i do not want to be informed. calling me a seabeyond May 2015 #146

The president wants you to believe they were stunts to minimalize what they said, what they're RiverLover May 2015 #72

the populist dems on du are the ones yelling the "dems" 24hr tpp lock is a stunt. nt seabeyond May 2015 #74

I didn't. I read an article about what was really happening. It was the press everyone should be RiverLover May 2015 #78

thank you, for addressing my OP. so you are seeing the yesterday thing, as the press. seabeyond May 2015 #80

Your answer will be either "yes" or "no" lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #124

I don't believe so Marrah_G May 2015 #139

can you explain the anger at some dems, calling tpp the last 24 hours a stunt, while seabeyond May 2015 #145

I have no explaination for what other DUers are thinking Marrah_G May 2015 #148

i was trying to get an understanding of the politics yesterday, and obama vs warren. seabeyond May 2015 #152

I wasn't on DU yesterday, so I must have missed a lot. Marrah_G May 2015 #153

First of all the tpp issue is not what you were asking about at the beginning of this OP. If it was jwirr May 2015 #197

thank you. if my OP was not clear, it was because i was not informed, hence ASKING questions. seabeyond May 2015 #199

What is a "stunt?" Jackpine Radical May 2015 #186

i didnt say it was a pointless stunt. i call it a political move. i agree with it. headlines.... seabeyond May 2015 #192

OK, some terms have been rather corrupted by sloppy usage. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #202

It's a little unnerving. ucrdem May 2015 #6

i cant help it. i am beginning to wonder also... why wouldnt i. a week into sanders run, seabeyond May 2015 #9

The chorus of STFU and don't ask embarrassing questions is rather loud. ucrdem May 2015 #17

i should be able to legitimately ask two legitimate political questions. and expect an answer. nt seabeyond May 2015 #24

what's embarrassing is word salad passive aggressive rhetoric cali May 2015 #45

your argument is that it was not a serious question. it was. you get to decide. then argue. really? seabeyond May 2015 #51

Indeed, hifiguy May 2015 #210

yeah lets pull back the covers and see who they really are Backwoodsrider May 2015 #33

if you are willing to pull the covers back, why are so many trippin to avoid pulling the covers back seabeyond May 2015 #53

good question Backwoodsrider May 2015 #60

we live in a world of contradiction. it behooves us to get good, living in that world. painless for seabeyond May 2015 #63

Too bad that didn't happen with Obama pull back the covers to see who he really was. SammyWinstonJack May 2015 #69

i think many many of us have, all along the way. nt seabeyond May 2015 #76

yeah he sure didnt perform as promised Backwoodsrider May 2015 #117

at this point? G_j May 2015 #121

"Holy shit" what? Wyden wanted all four bills passed. SMC22307 May 2015 #234

Yes, unnerved. Great links, thanks, but what it boils down to is "Wyden squeezed." ucrdem May 2015 #238

Who is "they"? SMC22307 May 2015 #239

LOL, read the OP and if that's inconvenient read your links. ucrdem May 2015 #240

Ha, right. I couldn't make out the word salad last night... SMC22307 May 2015 #241

Stunts are all any minority party Senator or Rep has for these kinds of issues. geek tragedy May 2015 #10

Okay so how do we know his presidential campaign isn't a stunt? ucrdem May 2015 #14

if his campaign is a stunt, then that will be revealed by the end of January 2016 nt geek tragedy May 2015 #20

i do not think the campaign is a stunt. i think sanders has a shot. nt seabeyond May 2015 #57

If you knew or read anything about the man and his history, you'd know it's not a stunt. HERVEPA May 2015 #27

putting up a bill, to jump start a campaign, declaring his position, he knows will not go anywhere seabeyond May 2015 #59

He says he's in it to win it, but even if he's not, why is it a problem? cali May 2015 #29

Using bullshit from Clinton Cash to bash the Clintons is a problem. ucrdem May 2015 #43

oh noes. he's being wholly consistent about the intersection of big cali May 2015 #58

It pretty much is treestar May 2015 #93

i would hope sanders has not given up. i would like for him to see his campaign run as if he does seabeyond May 2015 #95

i do not get what you meant in your last statement. and absolutely. stunt brings conversation. seabeyond May 2015 #19

He's been introducing similar legislation for years. cali May 2015 #25

ok. i do not know the point of your last statement. is the smae true with tpp/warren/boxer/24hrs vs seabeyond May 2015 #61

Not much it seems treestar May 2015 #92

It is a tricky question el_bryanto May 2015 #11

no. the question is. are they not making political moves, and we have to be aware and know what seabeyond May 2015 #36

They are politicians playing the game. NCTraveler May 2015 #13

They are on the same team, playing different positions. Warren, Sanders, and Hillary know that. seabeyond May 2015 #39

What you want to discuss here is very important. NCTraveler May 2015 #50

hope you are correct Backwoodsrider May 2015 #42

I truly don't need Sanders to be good at negotiating in order for him to get my vote. NCTraveler May 2015 #55

makes sense Backwoodsrider May 2015 #64

Hate to break this to you (actually, no. I enjoy it quite a bit) cali May 2015 #68

hero worship! Backwoodsrider May 2015 #119

wow. you get owned and that's all you got? lame. cali May 2015 #137

thanks for the additional info Cali Backwoodsrider May 2015 #149

Yeah, the F-35 is a boonswaggle and it represents something even bigger cali May 2015 #159

we should know who is right about Sanders in a few months Backwoodsrider May 2015 #162

yes. we must all tippy toe around not to piss people off. or they will start bullshit threads. seabeyond May 2015 #163

it has little to do with people being in his corner. It does have to cali May 2015 #172

Of course they're politicians. And if their "stunts" wil somehow benefit... SMC22307 May 2015 #15

here is the question with your comments. i have listened, read, thought about sanders bill, tpp 24hr seabeyond May 2015 #41

He has repeatedly introduced legislation to break up the "too big to fail" banks cali May 2015 #16

So if he's not very effective in passing legislation as a congressman procon May 2015 #71

He hasn't been very effective with that legislation, but here you go cali May 2015 #96

Keep to the point. procon May 2015 #130

say what? You are the one that claimed he wasn't an effective legislator cali May 2015 #156

"mix it up"??? procon May 2015 #171

hmm. cali May 2015 #183

Now its accusations and name calling??? procon May 2015 #205

It's quite obvious you don't know much about Bernie Sanders BrotherIvan May 2015 #109

Yes, that's why I'm looking for subjective information. procon May 2015 #151

It's so funny that there are all these requests for info and attempts to say "he has no plan" BrotherIvan May 2015 #158

The priorities of Senator are very different that those of a President. procon May 2015 #165

So only neoliberal proposals count as real ones? BrotherIvan May 2015 #166

I have no use for labels. procon May 2015 #175

I tend to ignore posters who try to disguise their agenda BrotherIvan May 2015 #189

well at least a lot of those with agenda are transparent in their faux concern cali May 2015 #201

because you do not agree, you claim it is faux and transparent, and can say what ever the hell seabeyond May 2015 #206

I don't think I'd miss much either way. procon May 2015 #214

that is a quite cryptic question rurallib May 2015 #21

lol. +1 cali May 2015 #30

Your op is about as related to a sincere question as a hole in the ground cali May 2015 #35

Please mention that to Bernie "Clinton Foundation Money A 'Very Serious Problem'" Sanders. ucrdem May 2015 #40

He's right. RiverLover May 2015 #65

two OPs. honest about grayson, dont hero worship. you have to take it to personal. seabeyond May 2015 #46

Oh, I did address it- and you know it. It's in my first post in this thread cali May 2015 #49

"and you know it" QUIT. that is irritating as fuck. seabeyond May 2015 #73

tough. I find your passive agressive word salad irritating as FUCK cali May 2015 #83

ya ya ya ya ya seabeyond May 2015 #85

She provided you with facts. In many posts. nt. polly7 May 2015 #88

hey... polly. seabeyond May 2015 #89

Heh! And?? polly7 May 2015 #90

Jury's in. NaturalHigh May 2015 #155

Good stuff. pintobean May 2015 #164

I was Juror #1. NaturalHigh May 2015 #195

LOL Oilwellian May 2015 #213

The bill to break up too big to fail banks was sincere and so is the opposition to the TPP think May 2015 #44

explain to me, the last 24hr tpp. populist dems says it is a stunt. i know the issues.... seabeyond May 2015 #77

Knowing that such a bill could never pass the House procon May 2015 #81

and stating sanders is gutting "too big too fail"... is hyperbole. seabeyond May 2015 #86

Yes it is. procon May 2015 #100

Sanders is a bulldog on this issue Oilwellian May 2015 #217

Sanders is a senator. All he CAN do is introduce bills. What is it you think one senator can do? djean111 May 2015 #66

I suppose it depends on how you're defining "stunt" TDale313 May 2015 #67

i chose stunt because that is the word i picked up this morning from populist du'ers describing the seabeyond May 2015 #79

There's a huge amount of anxiety and frustration TDale313 May 2015 #181

dont you think TRUTH would have been the better option. knowledge teling us it was a political move seabeyond May 2015 #185

Anyone who said the vote the other day TDale313 May 2015 #219

Trustworthiness, honesty, integrity. 99Forever May 2015 #75

ya. pretty sure you are taking this to me personally. not playing that game. seabeyond May 2015 #82

You asked a question and I gave you a honest answer. 99Forever May 2015 #112

it is not a matter of accepting it. i do not know wtf you are talking about. seabeyond May 2015 #114

That explains a lot. 99Forever May 2015 #125

What is this populist party of which you speak? hootinholler May 2015 #84

"What is this populist party of which you speak?" du has a populist group. sanders, warren, seabeyond May 2015 #87

Ok, so I answered your question. hootinholler May 2015 #98

...and Hillary cyberswede May 2015 #101

yes. we are aware clinton plays politics. see. didnt even hurt. why?, you ask. seabeyond May 2015 #105

I presume those who said cyberswede May 2015 #135

then we are hearing two different things. i have repeatedly, consistently stated economics is an seabeyond May 2015 #138

these two cannot articulate my position with the populist movement, any more clear. seabeyond May 2015 #113

I'm of the opinion that liberals support both cyberswede May 2015 #141

well. then. a basis for disagreement. but, you understand where me and others are coming from. seabeyond May 2015 #147

For you, it's a stunt AgingAmerican May 2015 #99

why are there threads this morning moaning the "dems" stunt. and adament they are done... just done! seabeyond May 2015 #107

Bernie isn't 'The Dems' AgingAmerican May 2015 #123

did he participate in it? did warren? and if they did, why are they not "the dems" and how do seabeyond May 2015 #128

And I thought the "Plan" thread couldn't be topped... whatchamacallit May 2015 #104

Back for more eh? BrotherIvan May 2015 #111

two new things happened, that i am processing. are you saying i am not allowed to ask a couple ques? seabeyond May 2015 #115

You are not asking questions BrotherIvan May 2015 #116

yes. two questions. you do not get to fabricate a story. seabeyond May 2015 #120

There are other kinds of attention besides negative attention BrotherIvan May 2015 #127

again. your conversation is personal. not playing that game. seabeyond May 2015 #129

I was actually trying to talk to you as a human being BrotherIvan May 2015 #133

by calling me a liar? lmFUGGINao seabeyond May 2015 #136

Yuck. Get over yourself. JTFrog May 2015 #223

Ditto BrotherIvan May 2015 #224

it borders on trolling at this point, BrotherIvan. hifiguy May 2015 #211

Manipulating media is how to get attention ismnotwasm May 2015 #126

like i do not buy christians have to be oh so protective of their god, i do not feel we dems need to seabeyond May 2015 #132

As opposed to what? rjsquirrel May 2015 #142

your question,answered DonCoquixote May 2015 #154

i want to know what happened yesterday. i want to know why some dems are thrown under the bus. seabeyond May 2015 #160

so, it seems the simple answer was, the dems blocked yesterday to get a couple things they wanted. seabeyond May 2015 #167

I envision Obama sitting back, thinking "Please proceed Senators" while laughing roarously. Hoyt May 2015 #157

can you expand. i would like to just have conversation from different perspectives. nt seabeyond May 2015 #161

Scenario: Republicans agree to increase VA spending by 20% if Democrats agree to ... ieoeja May 2015 #168

i thought i would actually get factual info. i thought your post was going to give me that. seabeyond May 2015 #169

The answer to your question *was* in my post. ieoeja May 2015 #174

you created a scenario, correct? to present to me what happened. why not just give me the seabeyond May 2015 #177

To demonstrate that even *you* have core principals on which you would not compromise. ieoeja May 2015 #179

i asked for facts. not a lesson from you, that you thought i ought to learn. seabeyond May 2015 #180

Well, you got a fact *and* a lesson. I'll deduct the lesson from the bill. n/t ieoeja May 2015 #182

no. you did not tell me that dems had put up four items to be added on the bill and what the four seabeyond May 2015 #187

Fact: "they compromised on a core principal". ieoeja May 2015 #215

That would not happen. Republicans would oppose everything Bernie does and feel no need stevenleser May 2015 #176

The short answer is 100% right progressively, and 100% ineffective legislatively is someone stevenleser May 2015 #170

i'm more open to sanders ability to get past that, stream line to effective if his people would pull seabeyond May 2015 #173

As you said - he has been presenting bills like this long before he started running for president. jwirr May 2015 #178

the headlines on du was... sanders guts "to big to fail". that was a false presentation of what he seabeyond May 2015 #190

I did not see the Saunders guts "too big to fail" headline - do you have a link? Also why would he jwirr May 2015 #198

gutting wallstreet or banks or whatever they used. and it happened a week ago. in gd. seabeyond May 2015 #200

lol. nice storytelling, sister. cali May 2015 #203

wtf cali. really. wtf..... seabeyond May 2015 #207

"gotta go" NaturalHigh May 2015 #204

what a bullshit statement. i have wasted my day replying to posters to this point. just plain bs seabeyond May 2015 #209

"i have wasted my day replying to posters to this point" NaturalHigh May 2015 #212

LOL Oilwellian May 2015 #220

I know. We're not "enlightened" enough. NaturalHigh May 2015 #221

And, it set the tone. pintobean May 2015 #228

It worked as intended and I know who will be blamed for being such meanies... Bonobo May 2015 #237

sanders guts "to big to fail". NaturalHigh May 2015 #208

Simple. RichVRichV May 2015 #194

For one, there isn't a "populist party". Warren DeMontague May 2015 #216

Could you try to take your time and organize your post in better English please? Dragonfli May 2015 #218

I'm not sure why you are calling doing consistently what you do a stunt. EVEN IF OTHER PEOPLE DOING TheKentuckian May 2015 #225

It's important to draw attention to progressive issues and the things we would like to achieve. dawg May 2015 #226

That "woman senator?" you were talking about is Barbara Boxer. My senator. cui bono May 2015 #227

K&R I admire your effort, keep posting. Dragonfli May 2015 #229

Do you think she really doesn't know how obvious this whole charade is? nt Bonobo May 2015 #232

Would you please quit acting as if something's being hidden? Ken Burch May 2015 #233

doesn't sound like you are really looking for information marym625 May 2015 #236

people are so busy looking for an agenda, they ignore the obvious. seabeyond May 2015 #242

done. the OP seabeyond May 2015 #243