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Yo_Mama

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104. In our justice system, the wishes of the injured or their relatives do not control the outcome.

Reply to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #94)

Fri May 15, 2015, 06:01 PM

May 2015

Nor should they.

So I think the wishes of the parents, much as I feel for them, are irrelevant either way.

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On the Verdict: Revenge is a very poor substitute for justice. Discuss... [View all] CaliforniaPeggy May 2015 OP

Tell that... TeeYiYi May 2015 #1

You mean the ones who opposed him being sentenced to death? morningfog May 2015 #3

No... TeeYiYi May 2015 #21

Well, you can't get death for maiming. morningfog May 2015 #29

The families who spoke out ... TeeYiYi May 2015 #38

Whatever their reason, you are spitting in their face. morningfog May 2015 #50

You seem incredibly invested... TeeYiYi May 2015 #59

I accept your apology for your posting in ignorance. morningfog May 2015 #70

Oh my... TeeYiYi May 2015 #71

Well, we could do away with the appeals process, because, you know, mountain grammy May 2015 #86

I agree that... TeeYiYi May 2015 #110

I won't shed a tear for Tsarnaev mountain grammy May 2015 #126

Oddly, I felt a bit that way... TeeYiYi May 2015 #130

Bundy was another matter. A complete psychopath who worked alone.. mountain grammy May 2015 #132

Tsarnaev won't be dead... TeeYiYi May 2015 #140

...which is why we don't put family members on the jury. NuclearDem May 2015 #6

In this case... TeeYiYi May 2015 #17

Good for you. NuclearDem May 2015 #22

From a thread of mine... F4lconF16 May 2015 #25

You make very good emotional arguments Major Nikon May 2015 #138

Thank you, Major. TeeYiYi May 2015 #141

I don't blame those directly affected to want revenge but it won't bring peace. rhett o rick May 2015 #66

I'm not calling for revenge... TeeYiYi May 2015 #74

What is accomplished by putting him to death? nm rhett o rick May 2015 #87

Without the death panalty how will we maintain the United Barbaric States of America? Enthusiast May 2015 #95

Nothing, really... TeeYiYi May 2015 #97

he's worse than joker. he's a barbaric monster that is getting a small dose of samsingh May 2015 #69

Yep - especially that little boy's family. 840high May 2015 #91

Except his father did not want the death penalty imposed nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #94

In our justice system, the wishes of the injured or their relatives do not control the outcome. Yo_Mama May 2015 #104

I understand that nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #106

Well, he'll only be a martyr to those who think what he did was justified. Yo_Mama May 2015 #114

I oppose it in all circumstances nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #115

I see the argument against the DP in all cases. Yo_Mama May 2015 #117

I think the country will have to grapple with it nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #120

The ones who announced that they opposed the death penalty... Agschmid May 2015 #113

I am 100% opposed to the death penalty. We are a warlike and violent culture. NYC_SKP May 2015 #2

I totally agree with you. avebury May 2015 #11

Amen..... daleanime May 2015 #30

Kind of a default position or should be for anyone claiming to be a liberal NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #32

I think it should be reserved for certain cases snooper2 May 2015 #40

Wrong in all cases Gore1FL May 2015 #64

And what of the innocent who die in prison? Lancero May 2015 #112

Right you are! immoderate May 2015 #43

agreed! nt steve2470 May 2015 #58

I absolutely agree and am disappointed to see posters here claiming to be "politically liberal" rhett o rick May 2015 #67

I, for one, am not calling for revenge... haikugal May 2015 #82

The question is, why put someone to death? nm rhett o rick May 2015 #84

let me give you another AMEN etherealtruth May 2015 #79

On the verdict: Death penalty is just. Discuss ... Lil Missy May 2015 #4

What is it, then? nt F4lconF16 May 2015 #28

Justice n/t Lil Missy May 2015 #37

Why? F4lconF16 May 2015 #39

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind uppityperson May 2015 #41

Because we dont allow family to determine punishment Telcontar May 2015 #53

A good point. F4lconF16 May 2015 #54

I am opposed to the death penalty as well Telcontar May 2015 #135

Lol, yes it is revenge, what other reason is there? nt Logical May 2015 #42

No remorse from him. In this case it's justice. 840high May 2015 #93

What a lot of people don't get is this: catnhatnh May 2015 #5

Well said. nt F4lconF16 May 2015 #33

Opposing the death penalty has nothing to do with those sentenced to it. Maedhros May 2015 #55

Yes. It's not about the person sentenced. TDale313 May 2015 #85

I agree with you it is wrong. hrmjustin May 2015 #7

As long as there is due process and a fair trial, what is wrong with revenge? bluestateguy May 2015 #8

Because revenge is what the justice system exists to prevent. NuclearDem May 2015 #15

Not related to this case but had you heard the Scalia's opinion avebury May 2015 #23

This can't be a surprise for him. zappaman May 2015 #9

The death penalty is backwards, too expensive, and doesn't work as a deterrent. NuclearDem May 2015 #10

Oh no. Rhiannon12866 May 2015 #12

Isn't Life without Parole a revenge too FLPanhandle May 2015 #13

I agree that life without parole is not rehabilitation. CaliforniaPeggy May 2015 #26

Technically the death penalty does the same thing FLPanhandle May 2015 #99

Yes. F4lconF16 May 2015 #31

Here's hoping he moves phil89 May 2015 #51

Problems with that Egnever May 2015 #68

It's not easy. F4lconF16 May 2015 #80

I agree wholeheartedly. I would add cruel. haikugal May 2015 #89

and this attitude is why I support the death penalty FLPanhandle May 2015 #100

Shame on the United States, shame on the DOJ, shame on the US government, shame on the jury. morningfog May 2015 #14

I'm against the DP in all cases, this one is no exception. Coventina May 2015 #16

It is justice. Throd May 2015 #18

Why? nt F4lconF16 May 2015 #34

It's not just this case. F4lconF16 May 2015 #19

Ridiculous assertions. phil89 May 2015 #52

You have little claim to the moral high ground, Maedhros May 2015 #56

add me to... stonecutter357 May 2015 #88

I agree. Maybe we could get a gang and break him out, drag him with a rope behind a car until his jtuck004 May 2015 #131

I'm completely opposed to the death penalty in MineralMan May 2015 #20

Most sentences have an element of revenge aikoaiko May 2015 #24

I couldn't agree more. MindPilot May 2015 #27

There are those who get a vicarious thrill when the State employs deadly force, Maedhros May 2015 #57

2 wrongs don't make a right . olddots May 2015 #35

The death penalty is not a deterrent and it will take decades before it is applied csziggy May 2015 #36

Very well expressed and I couldn't have said anything better Rhiannon12866 May 2015 #44

That's my sentiment, as well. hamsterjill May 2015 #72

In such a case sarisataka May 2015 #45

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #46

That quote is one of my favorites and so perfect. Thank you! n/t CaliforniaPeggy May 2015 #47

You're welcome. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #48

+1,000 n/t malaise May 2015 #63

No discussion malaise May 2015 #49

Punishment and revenge... yallerdawg May 2015 #62

I'm opposed to the state killing its citizens. However -- Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #60

Considering that there are certain middle aged and elderly "statesmen" Cleita May 2015 #61

excellent points! nt steve2470 May 2015 #65

Revenge is not justice. Revenge is never fair. Justice, in its highest sense, is total fairness. Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #73

There is nothing that can possibly equalize in many cases - Yo_Mama May 2015 #105

Revenge could never be an equalizer, that's like saying a gun is an equalizer. The only thing that Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #108

We cannot heal those dead, maimed, their families, or even the surviving Tsarnaev Yo_Mama May 2015 #116

Healing is always possible. To give up on healing is to give up on life itself, for healing is Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #118

Healing is only possible for those still living with the capacity to be whole. Yo_Mama May 2015 #119

"I see no way that we cannot inflict harm on Tsarnaev in order to prevent more casualties." Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #121

It's not truth. It's just an emotion based assertion. phil89 May 2015 #128

"To revenge kill is to destroy, which is the opposite of life-affirming. This is greater truth." Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #139

I think the discussion boils down to "no, that statement is false". Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #75

If I were on the Jury, I would be torn in deciding the verdict. dem in texas May 2015 #76

Then what is justice? Rex May 2015 #77

The people on that jury were able/prepared to issue a death sentence. MADem May 2015 #78

Life in isolation in a super-max or death... MerryBlooms May 2015 #81

Well, he'll be doing a good long stretch in a federal pen in Indiana, on death row. MADem May 2015 #92

I'm personally anti death penalty. MerryBlooms May 2015 #111

He's been in solitary since he's been arrested. He's at an old military base now, I think. MADem May 2015 #134

Yep. MerryBlooms May 2015 #136

Justice is best for society. Vengeance is best for the individual. n/t rock May 2015 #83

It is called the death penalty, yet it is calculated murder and wrong for any country to Jefferson23 May 2015 #90

I was raised by a Jewish mother who used to say: mountain grammy May 2015 #96

Agree 100-percent. Octafish May 2015 #98

it's mostly revenge bigtree May 2015 #101

There could be a Great Philosophical debate here ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #102

I agree, and way too many people have been convicted on false and flimsy evidence steve2470 May 2015 #124

I strongly disagree with the description of this as revenge. Yo_Mama May 2015 #103

And I strongly feel that I used the correct language for me. CaliforniaPeggy May 2015 #125

Yes you did... TeeYiYi May 2015 #127

Thank you, my dear TeeYiYi... CaliforniaPeggy May 2015 #129

The child killer workinclasszero May 2015 #107

The needle goes in xfundy May 2015 #109

I agree. /nt workinclasszero May 2015 #122

justice = life in prison until he dies steve2470 May 2015 #123

2 wrongs don't make a right spanone May 2015 #133

Yes it is JonLP24 May 2015 #137

All revenge does is continue the cycle of hate and violence. liberal_at_heart May 2015 #142