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happyslug

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52. That law, existed in SEVERAL CULTURES, including pre-christian ones
Wed May 9, 2012, 10:53 PM
May 2012

The Classic situation was Elanor of Aquitaine. By inheritance she ruled and owned Aquitaine in the 1100s (and at that time, the richest province in France). While still a Teenager she worried about being "Raped" so someone can claim her AND HER LANDS, for the Ancient Franks had a similar law and still applied in the 1100s.

The Catholic Church attacked that tradition (and address the issue in Deuteronomy as something reserved to Jerusalem NOT the rest of the world) and the world was moving away from such "acts" of marriage at that time (Till the Reformation most marriages in Catholic Europe were informal, i.e a couple announced to each other there were Man and Wife, they then went into the village church for the Village priest to bless the marriage).

"Rape" was also a wider term at that time period, it included consensual sex with a virgin. The reason was simple, having sex was a way a couple could show they were married. Thus"Rape" of a Virgin, could be nothing more then a couple deciding to have sex.

Let me make one more statement, this "payment" of money and agreement to "keep the woman" had to be done with some consent of her family. If no consent, you just have a feud. One part of the Hatfields and McCoys feud in West Virginia involved such a couple. i.e man and woman from each family meet and had sex, viewed as married by her family. When the man rejected that concept, her family called it rape and the feud intensified. Such feuds was the chief reason for this rule in the bible. It was a way for both families to solve the dispute that was the result of the sex.

Much of Deuteronomy is that, old rules to resolved disputes between extended families. Prior to Social Security and the "Welfare State" extended families were the main form of "safety net", thus people would protect others in their extended families. These feuds could be nasty (Hatfields and McCoys is just the most famous).

Most of these rules were "forgotten" or outright outlawed with industrialization and the movement to the Nuclear Family being more important then the Extended Family (IT is easier for Nuclear Families to move to where the jobs are, as opposed to Extended Families). Thus industrialization and urbanization were the driving force for the change through the extended family did survive as equal to the Nuclear Family till Social Security and the "Welfare State" replaced the Extended Family as people's main safety net.

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Du rec. Nt xchrom May 2012 #1
It's not the one where a man can pay 50 shekles to the father of the girl he rapes? JoePhilly May 2012 #2
has anyone done the math on that? Enrique May 2012 #3
Well, if Wikipedia is right... meeksgeek May 2012 #5
Well, the shekel is still viable currency so ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #6
Well, you have to adjust for inflation if you're using current shekels. Bruce Wayne May 2012 #10
I was looking for one of those online inflation calulators, but none go back to 6000 BCE. <G> n/t jtuck004 May 2012 #11
Of course not. Haven't you heard? The earth is only 6000 years old. Angleae May 2012 #22
I keep forgetting <G> n/t jtuck004 May 2012 #26
Which raises some important questions shawn703 May 2012 #17
More questions bongbong May 2012 #19
These last 10 or so comments 12AngryBorneoWildmen May 2012 #35
I know what you mean. I can never top them, either! dmr May 2012 #37
WOW ... churches could make a bundle off converting the shekels to dollars. JoePhilly May 2012 #7
=8•O Bruce Wayne May 2012 #14
Is it just me, or is anyone else smelling the odor of goats...? n/t jtuck004 May 2012 #28
It's so sad that today in way too many places today raped girls marry their rapist. libinnyandia May 2012 #4
I always like Leviticus 11 9-12 and you KNOW those hypocrites love Red Lobster... LynneSin May 2012 #39
There is a loophole... coldbeer May 2012 #42
I think the larger loop hole is that the man has to be "discovered" JoePhilly May 2012 #44
No harm, no foul for the man, you mean. The woman is still ruined, right? tclambert May 2012 #56
Yea, I think that's how it worked. JoePhilly May 2012 #57
That law, existed in SEVERAL CULTURES, including pre-christian ones happyslug May 2012 #52
And you may also add: DeSwiss May 2012 #8
Yep, that last one. Thumbsup x 2. CrispyQ May 2012 #30
Regarding your illustration and sig line: Doc_Technical May 2012 #43
Despite the Clear Provisions, On the Road May 2012 #9
Not just politicians ignore this quote. Just about everyone does. SleeplessinSoCal May 2012 #12
The Bible is ala carte MattBaggins May 2012 #15
Creditors cannot persue old debts after 7 years; can still sue though. nt DRoseDARs May 2012 #13
You realize you're contradicting yourself, right? YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #16
Barking up the wrong tree. When has the law ever NOT contradicted itself? DRoseDARs May 2012 #18
There is the statute of limitations treestar May 2012 #27
I've been told that our bankruptcy laws stem in part from that verse... Skip Intro May 2012 #20
Yes, thus the old Seven year rule against filing another Bankrupty happyslug May 2012 #55
Isn't there one about a rich man having as much chance........ socialist_n_TN May 2012 #21
Also Romans 2 Zalatix May 2012 #23
Yeah, I hate people who judge other people! tclambert May 2012 #45
You would never hear the Sermon on the Mount either Horse with no Name May 2012 #24
Also Mark 12:28-34 Thav May 2012 #31
Blessed are the . . . tclambert May 2012 #47
Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars... WCGreen May 2012 #25
I honestly had no idea what to expect when I clicked your thread, but Bravo!! CrispyQ May 2012 #29
Here's another one that they don't talk about much zzaapp May 2012 #32
don't forget jesus saying-'render unto caesar what is his.' pansypoo53219 May 2012 #33
Here's an ignored quote from Jesus Christ himself on homosexuality Califa May 2012 #34
That verse has nothing to do with homosexuality. Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #36
1 Samuel 18:1,3 William769 May 2012 #38
Ezekiel 16:17 alfredo May 2012 #40
Yeah but what does that have to do with toddwv May 2012 #41
Christianity. The Bible. Over and over. andytenido May 2012 #46
Welcome to DU! ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #48
Please Romans 2, it refutes what you say. Zalatix May 2012 #58
Actually... shagsak May 2012 #49
Me no understand. Must creditors must write off all 7-year-old debts? Or must borrowers pay off all tclambert May 2012 #50
FORGIVE the debts. Horse with no Name May 2012 #51
In Colonial Days, it meant all debts had to be paid in 7 years, or be discharged happyslug May 2012 #54
Thus in Colonial days, indenture servants only had to work for seven years, do to this rule. happyslug May 2012 #53
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