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Volaris

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51. THIS.

Sat May 16, 2015, 10:29 AM

May 2015

If the President that I voted for twice really does thing this deal is the best way to salvage an even worse future, then I want him to just come the fuck out and say that.
I still might not agree, (and it will drive the narrative that if this IS the best we can hope for, we have bigger problems than we have have been led to believe), but at least he would get credit for the attempt.
This what he's doing strikes me as CYNICAL hippie-bashing..and for the most part, I've kept my mouth shut until I felt I had given the matter it's internal Due Dialouge.
my opinion is this...Obamas attempting to do with a trade deal what was done with the banking crisis:
put the planes back in the air, after a fatal crash (what Timmy and Hank had spent their careers practicing for). What he has the actual power to be doing, is advocating for national high speed rail.

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After Attacking Warren, Obama Having Trouble Selling TPP to Fellow Dems [View all] Jackpine Radical May 2015 OP

Notice it is the Democratic party fighting for what is right. Yes some are on the wrong NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #1

Republicans are fighting for Obama on this. nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #2

Correction Obama is fighting for the Republican's owners on this. Vincardog May 2015 #3

So you completely missed the point, I see NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #4

Let me stick my nose in here. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #35

But why can't he be a little upfront for these motives? erronis May 2015 #47

I'm in no position to answer such a question. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #48

THIS. Volaris May 2015 #51

Which is more than a little ironic since as recently as last year cadaverdog May 2015 #33

"...which they were strictly against." Volaris May 2015 #49

That's a clue. orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #76

All that his being so adamant tells me is that he is a neoliberal true believer Dragonfli May 2015 #5

So you tell me, if we refuse to put up tariffs, and we do, if we refuse to invest here NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #7

This deal will not change those factors but rather further enable them Dragonfli May 2015 #10

So you acknowledge that without this deal, or lets assume there is no deal, we will lose NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #11

You know the answer and the lack of leadership to pursue what will work as you have posted it Dragonfli May 2015 #13

But wait, you didnt even agree with me about tariffs? YOu said nothing as to solutions, did you. NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #16

Yes, I am not an expert in the field, but those tactics have worked before Dragonfli May 2015 #19

I would like to see a system of tariffs based on the labor conditions in the exporting countries. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #24

+ 1 cali May 2015 #32

+2 A Simple Game May 2015 #69

Reality is that we're gave away the cows with NAFTA - TBF May 2015 #37

I expect he thinks this is the best deal he can get BainsBane May 2015 #41

"It's unfortunate that people weren't paying attention as it was happening." Dragonfli May 2015 #44

Did I not just say TPP was shit? BainsBane May 2015 #45

"Very little is manufactured in the US" Depaysement May 2015 #67

seriously? BainsBane May 2015 #78

Manufacturing has increased since the President was elected Depaysement May 2015 #79

Yes, I know it has increased since Obama took office BainsBane May 2015 #80

It does not qualify as "very little" Depaysement May 2015 #81

I don't understand your point. cui bono May 2015 #17

NO, I am saying the trade deal is bad, probably will result in more jobs here, BAD paying NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #29

So we should just give in and do what the owners want? TBF May 2015 #38

LOL oh god, been fighting longer than most here, donating to Bernie, have NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #39

Your reponse was very defeatest TBF May 2015 #40

Had you read the article, you would have learned that it is the JDPriestly May 2015 #22

that is what I said...that the only people fighting for US are the Dems, not all the Dems but Dems NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #27

Sorry. I was surprised at what I thought you wrote. JDPriestly May 2015 #30

And I think it is possible TPP will provide jobs for AMericans, bad paying and subject NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #31

We need a movement. Yes. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #43

This... KoKo May 2015 #54

i'm sure they are not your favourites Angel Martin May 2015 #28

If Obama was doing what he thought was right for the American... raindaddy May 2015 #55

Arent trade deals always treated this way? That is a yes or no and my asking the NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #58

I think we need to ask the question WHY is it being treated this way? raindaddy May 2015 #65

I keep wondering if the PTB .. ananda May 2015 #71

I think he'll be threatened with retiring a very rich man ...... raindaddy May 2015 #72

Well, I guess we know where you stand Android3.14 May 2015 #59

Obama has made zero attempt to explain why this is a good thing Android3.14 May 2015 #61

Dont be ridiculous, I said NO to those jobs, or CANT you READ! NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #62

It's not my reading; it's your writing Android3.14 May 2015 #63

To quote Henry Rollins: Maedhros May 2015 #6

I wonder why he thought acting like a Republican would rally more Dem votes Doctor_J May 2015 #8

Oh you libruls! Wrong again gratuitous May 2015 #9

Was he having trouble selling TPP before he 'attacked' Warren? Cali_Democrat May 2015 #12

if you punish and attack people no matter what they do, they'll just stop responding MisterP May 2015 #14

Thanks for this post. riqster May 2015 #15

Yeah, it was strangely ham-handed of him. Weird even... Left coast liberal May 2015 #18

Desperation on his part? PADemD May 2015 #21

Even if Obama wins this one, he really has lost a lot... EndElectoral May 2015 #20

He is worried about finding a job when he leaves office. JDPriestly May 2015 #23

Well as I've said many times we need to keep fighting TBF May 2015 #42

You state precisely my thoughts when it comes to the argument JDPriestly May 2015 #46

Interesting point... KoKo May 2015 #56

If Hillary can get $300,000+ for fawning speeches kissing the asses of Wall Street, he probably whereisjustice May 2015 #64

K & R Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #25

Thanks. It was fun to make. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #26

K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 May 2015 #34

Somehow, I knew that was a bad strategy. Jack Rabbit May 2015 #36

How? He's already sold it to them, and they are going to hand him the keys to the economy. n/t Orsino May 2015 #50

He bought enough Senators to get it through. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #52

Even if the House somehow thwarted TPA, he'll still get his TPP eventually. n/t Orsino May 2015 #53

Let's hope , work and pray for him to fail, just like republicans wanted him to orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #77

bought? KoKo May 2015 #57

Maybe waterboarding. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #60

Bought? You mean bribe? Cali_Democrat May 2015 #73

Tsk Cali, Jackpine Radical May 2015 #74

well said nt grasswire May 2015 #75

The same old donkey & carrot LiberalLovinLug May 2015 #66

Obama clearly hates US workers. He says it is because our standard test scores aren't as good, but whereisjustice May 2015 #68

Isn't it interesting that hifiguy May 2015 #70