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TreasonousBastard

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54. My mistake-- missed the intended irony there...

Sat May 16, 2015, 10:47 AM

May 2015

It has been proposed that the DP might actually increase the murder rate, since it might encourage killing all potential witnesses in addition to the intended victim. I don't take that seriously, but it does give a hint how strange the debate gets.

Maybe 30 years ago the New Yorker had a piece about how every 25-30 years we American tended to revise our justice system back and forth between punishment and rehabilitation. It was as if every generation saw the failure of the previous attempt, but also missed the problems of the one before that. The point was that we never learn.

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So we kill someone to show that killing someone is wrong [View all] WilliamPitt May 2015 OP

Very well-stated... Cooley Hurd May 2015 #1

'toon form Electric Monk May 2015 #85

Due process makes all the difference. aikoaiko May 2015 #2

You cannot always rely upon due proess, just ask avebury May 2015 #4

Hence my absolute opposition to the DP. trumad May 2015 #5

I also am totally against the death penalty. avebury May 2015 #10

+1 daleanime May 2015 #18

My reply to people who say that skepticscott May 2015 #39

I think people do not think the whole thing through.. trumad May 2015 #49

That's a different issue than the one WP is trying to discuss I think. aikoaiko May 2015 #13

You must love china, iran, iraq.......check the list that do and the ones that don't. nt Logical May 2015 #32

I'm not familiar with their legal systems and due process in DP cases aikoaiko May 2015 #37

no amount of due process justifies the cold-blooded, premeditated, and unnecessary killing of humans unblock May 2015 #48

No it does not nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #55

That pretty well sums it up. avebury May 2015 #3

Justice is holding the right person accountable. yallerdawg May 2015 #6

If there could be a number above 100% spot on, this would deserve it. DFW May 2015 #7

I can appreciate fact-based, rational, logical reasons for a DP JonLP24 May 2015 #8

I thought he was sentenced to death for his crime. Thinkingabout May 2015 #9

He was sentenced to death. There's not even much doubt over his guilt DFW May 2015 #12

I completely agree! polmaven May 2015 #11

I have nothing against the death penalty. In this case. I would have preferred Life. Why? Katashi_itto May 2015 #14

Why not include a year of torture before drawing and quartering? sammythecat May 2015 #40

Are you against the death penalty? Katashi_itto May 2015 #43

No, a year of torture is nothing compared to being entombed the rest of your life. Katashi_itto May 2015 #45

So what is his punishment? LordGlenconner May 2015 #46

WTH are you talking about? Katashi_itto May 2015 #50

Maybe if your points were more coherent LordGlenconner May 2015 #51

Maybe if someone's reading comprehension actually existed. Katashi_itto May 2015 #53

totally agree mitch96 May 2015 #42

Killing is wrong. Let the man rot in jail remembering the suffering his actions caused. In_The_Wind May 2015 #15

+10000000000 nt steve2470 May 2015 #92

I think you're being deliberately obtuse. Killing innocent people is wrong. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #16

Bingo! Thanks! /nt/ PosterChild May 2015 #21

+1 FLPanhandle May 2015 #29

Were the soldiers storming Normandy wrong for killing the defending Germans? Hassin Bin Sober May 2015 #47

Amazing how other progressive countries realize it is wrong. And you and the USA don't. nt Logical May 2015 #33

Did you even bother reading my post? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #36

Did you fucking read your post..... Logical May 2015 #61

"What did I not understand???" Pretty much the whole thing. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #75

Another clueless post..... Logical May 2015 #77

I oppose capital punishment 99.99% of the time. abakan May 2015 #17

And the precedent? Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #26

Why not? I was suspended from school for not going to school. malthaussen May 2015 #19

Interesting observations, thanks! /nt/ PosterChild May 2015 #23

One of the toughest pro DP arguments to argue against... TreasonousBastard May 2015 #25

I was just saying that our country's priorities are screwed up. malthaussen May 2015 #30

My mistake-- missed the intended irony there... TreasonousBastard May 2015 #54

A lot of years ago, Larry Niven wrote a short story... malthaussen May 2015 #63

Stick him in the secondvariety May 2015 #20

Well said Thespian2 May 2015 #22

I'm opposed to the death penalty on principle, but I don't think that's the reason it's imposed. MH1 May 2015 #24

I am 99% against the death penalty Ms. Yertle May 2015 #27

Your position is unprincipled. Fred Sanders May 2015 #59

Really?? Ms. Yertle May 2015 #73

Your advocacy for torture is indeed principled, but it is very wrong. Fred Sanders May 2015 #81

How am I advocating FOR torture?????????????? n/t Ms. Yertle May 2015 #88

All the reasons DP supporters use just don't work TexasBushwhacker May 2015 #28

DP supporters just love revenge. nt Logical May 2015 #34

Exactly. It is the ultimate punishment. nt raouldukelives May 2015 #38

I'm with you on this one. ucrdem May 2015 #31

How else is he gonna learn? Orsino May 2015 #35

I’d happily stuff his donco May 2015 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2015 #44

Brutal personality. .. Trajan May 2015 #57

WOOOOOOO MANLY AMERICA BONER!!!!!! NuclearDem May 2015 #66

I'm gonna second that "fuck him". If that makes me a manly American boner intertubes tough guy Warren DeMontague May 2015 #84

Not about Tsarnaev. NuclearDem May 2015 #87

i find it hard to separate the sentiment in this case from the shitty thing he did. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #89

There's no good answer in a case like this. DirkGently May 2015 #52

Anders Breivik Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #56

Folks are too stupid, or lazy, to understand the difference between retribution and revenge, is my theory. Fred Sanders May 2015 #58

Exactly. elleng May 2015 #60

Killing the wrong person is wrong... Oktober May 2015 #62

For every criminal we execute, we should execute a random death penalty supporting politician. hunter May 2015 #64

Or for every Life without Parole criminal, we should also sentance a random anti-DP politician FLPanhandle May 2015 #67

That sound good too. hunter May 2015 #70

Modern society does not allow for mercy or for peace. I wish it did. liberal_at_heart May 2015 #65

Death is not a deterrent for someone who wants to die AZ Progressive May 2015 #68

Lingzi Lu died with her intestines in her hands LittleBlue May 2015 #69

I'm sorry but what you have described is revenge. It is natural to feel anger and want to liberal_at_heart May 2015 #71

I don't think killing Tsarnaev fuels any war LittleBlue May 2015 #72

I oppose the death penalty ... Trajan May 2015 #74

You are right. When we allow ourselves to give in to revenge we let the darkness take over and that liberal_at_heart May 2015 #76

'Had the chance to show him we are better than that Peregrine Took May 2015 #78

Our default setting is base instinct such as fear, anger, hate, revenge. It takes effort to get off liberal_at_heart May 2015 #79

+1 Well said. BeanMusical May 2015 #82

Sorry, but after your last post on this issue F4lconF16 May 2015 #80

I've read the article, and I can safely say that position hasn't changed. NuclearDem May 2015 #91

I'm wondering where all the people went who said anything more than 10 years would be "inhumane" Warren DeMontague May 2015 #83

"foolish notion" by holly near niyad May 2015 #86

There are right ways and wrong ways to be against the death penalty. NuclearDem May 2015 #90