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In reply to the discussion: White man with AR-15 O.K. - Black guy, well..... [View all]tblue37
(68,447 posts)82. That is why Gov. Reagan pushed for gun control laws in California--because the
Black Panthers, who armed themselves to protect their communities, scared the heck out of white people.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/politics/2013/01/black_panthers_and_gun_control_the_nras_flip_flop.html
Fear of a Black Gun Owner
Ironically, the NRA used to support gun control -- when the Black Panthers started packing.
BY: EDWARD WYCKOFF WILLIAMS
Posted: Jan. 23 2013 12:21 AM
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It is ironic that the modern-day argument for citizens to arm themselves against unwarranted government oppression -- dominated, as it is, by angry white men -- has its roots in the foundation of the 1960s Black Panther movement. Huey Newton and Bobby Seale became inspired by Malcolm X's admonishment that because government was "either unable or unwilling to protect the lives and property" of African Americans, they ought to defend themselves "by any means necessary."
UCLA law professor Adam Winkler explores this history in his 2011 book, Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America. "Like many young African Americans, Newton and Seale were frustrated with the failed promise of the civil-rights movement," Winkler writes. In their opinion, "the only tangible outcome of the civil-rights movement had been more violence and oppression, much of it committed by the very entity meant to protect the public: the police." Winkler goes on to say, "Malcolm X and the Panthers described their right to use guns in self-defense in constitutional terms." Guns became central to the Panthers' identity, as they taught their early recruits that "the gun is the only thing that will free us -- gain us our liberation."
The Panthers responded to racial violence by patrolling black neighborhoods brandishing guns -- in an effort to police the police. The fear of black people with firearms sent shockwaves across white communities, and conservative lawmakers immediately responded with gun-control legislation.
Then Gov. Ronald Reagan, now lauded as the patron saint of modern conservatism, told reporters in California that he saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons." Reagan claimed that the Mulford Act, as it became known, "would work no hardship on the honest citizen" <emphasis added>. The NRA actually helped craft similar legislation in states across the country. Fast-forward to 2013, and it is a white-male dominated NRA, largely made up of Southern conservatives and gun owners from the Midwest and Southwestern states, that argues "do not tread on me" in the gun debate.
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Fear of a Black Gun Owner
Ironically, the NRA used to support gun control -- when the Black Panthers started packing.
BY: EDWARD WYCKOFF WILLIAMS
Posted: Jan. 23 2013 12:21 AM
<SNIP>
It is ironic that the modern-day argument for citizens to arm themselves against unwarranted government oppression -- dominated, as it is, by angry white men -- has its roots in the foundation of the 1960s Black Panther movement. Huey Newton and Bobby Seale became inspired by Malcolm X's admonishment that because government was "either unable or unwilling to protect the lives and property" of African Americans, they ought to defend themselves "by any means necessary."
UCLA law professor Adam Winkler explores this history in his 2011 book, Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America. "Like many young African Americans, Newton and Seale were frustrated with the failed promise of the civil-rights movement," Winkler writes. In their opinion, "the only tangible outcome of the civil-rights movement had been more violence and oppression, much of it committed by the very entity meant to protect the public: the police." Winkler goes on to say, "Malcolm X and the Panthers described their right to use guns in self-defense in constitutional terms." Guns became central to the Panthers' identity, as they taught their early recruits that "the gun is the only thing that will free us -- gain us our liberation."
The Panthers responded to racial violence by patrolling black neighborhoods brandishing guns -- in an effort to police the police. The fear of black people with firearms sent shockwaves across white communities, and conservative lawmakers immediately responded with gun-control legislation.
Then Gov. Ronald Reagan, now lauded as the patron saint of modern conservatism, told reporters in California that he saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons." Reagan claimed that the Mulford Act, as it became known, "would work no hardship on the honest citizen" <emphasis added>. The NRA actually helped craft similar legislation in states across the country. Fast-forward to 2013, and it is a white-male dominated NRA, largely made up of Southern conservatives and gun owners from the Midwest and Southwestern states, that argues "do not tread on me" in the gun debate.
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Yep. It would be fascinating if Soros or other wealthy liberals would fund an organization dedicated
stevenleser
May 2015
#1
Ugh. This demonstrates the point we already knew, putting the second kid in grave danger.
Buzz Clik
May 2015
#2
Panthers did the same thing at the Sacramento State House in '67. Prompted CA gun legislation
leveymg
May 2015
#10
Denial of a second amendment rights to minorities by racists has a long and tragic history.
Kurska
May 2015
#12
The policeman should have wrestled the stupid white right wing toter to the ground.
Hoyt
May 2015
#19
So, do you want to make it de jure? Malcolm X said 2A was for all citizens...
Eleanors38
May 2015
#46
I don't know about the poster, but I want all ethnicities treated the same if they are walking down
Hoyt
May 2015
#51
Look, quit readin one word at a time while pointing. These yahoos have a gun, they are unstable and
Hoyt
May 2015
#71
There's no "should" POC do NOT ... NOT have the same 2a rights as whites, RayGun showed us that
uponit7771
May 2015
#81
No doubt blacks' rights are circumscribed in most ways, but I don't see that with 2A.
Eleanors38
May 2015
#86
I recently told my "racist" joke to group of about 5 dealers at a gunshow. It's actually a joke
brewens
May 2015
#79
Actually, I think the policeman's response in the second video was proper. The first guy should
Hoyt
May 2015
#21
A policeman, or a bystander, seeing someone with a gun walking down the street has the right to
Hoyt
May 2015
#37
I'd suggest calling police, but you gotta do what you gotta do when an unstable person walks down
Hoyt
May 2015
#43
So you are saying the ignorant racist carrying a gun is as likely to kill a concerned citizen as a
Hoyt
May 2015
#50
No. I am saying that the people you should be criticising are the legislators, not the
Joe Chi Minh
May 2015
#58
I agree with legislators are fools, but the laws do not REQUIRE yahoos to walk around with a gun.
Hoyt
May 2015
#61
The priority of blame must rest on the shoulders of the legislators, not the governed. It's why
Joe Chi Minh
May 2015
#62
So in other words - you support police brutality, particularly when no crime is being committed?
NutmegYankee
May 2015
#68
I support treating armed people like a potential terrorist, criminal, mentally unstable person, etc.
Hoyt
May 2015
#69
I dream of a day when the police are held to the same rules as everybody else.
NutmegYankee
May 2015
#78
This is not the first time you've advocated vigilantism directed against gun owners
friendly_iconoclast
May 2015
#94
I would suggest that you not strap one of your gunz on when walking in public. You avoid
Hoyt
May 2015
#97
I would suggest that you abandon your support for vigilantism and police oppression...
friendly_iconoclast
May 2015
#106
The first cop hiding behind the car door was smarter than you think. From that
A Simple Game
May 2015
#38
That's part of the reason why I was so astonished that he stayed so far away.
Joe Chi Minh
May 2015
#60
And once Johnny Law saw that it was a set-up they all still played it as if they
A Simple Game
May 2015
#65
And the first cop kept him covered, just waiting for him to make any wrong move. nt
ChisolmTrailDem
May 2015
#30
So the news and the assistant sheriff just made it up that guns were pointed at the officers?
JTFrog
May 2015
#89
Why? He didn't break the law. It specifically protects every one who chooses to
Joe Chi Minh
May 2015
#85
The cops detained him another 5 minutes or so, gave him his weapon back, sent him on his way. . .
Journeyman
May 2015
#100
Thanks for finding that. While I don't doubt for a second that blacks are being profiled, I have
Flatulo
May 2015
#105
The white guys were detained for approximately the same amount of time, then let go. . .
Journeyman
May 2015
#101
... POC don't have that benefit to govern actions from individual officers, we're not judged by
uponit7771
May 2015
#80
Brutality? Taking control of a situation is police brutality? Amazing how
frankieallen
May 2015
#119
I am not scared of guns, I own a pump shotgun for home protecting, which i traded in
frankieallen
May 2015
#123
This is the first time I've seen a black guy confronted this way, but plenty of white rednecks.
Cassidy1
May 2015
#99
Are there any *other* groups that you think ought to be proned out...
friendly_iconoclast
May 2015
#108