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BainsBane

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163. I realize that it's hard

Sat May 16, 2015, 02:38 PM

May 2015

I'm not disputing that. I find it ironic, however, when red state folks complain about Third Wayers when all they manage to get elected is Tea Baggers. Surely they understand the electorate and circumstances vary greatly from state to state. I realize that every state isn't MN, and every congressional district isn't like mine. How is that concept lost on some others, particularly those who can't get Dems elected?

For what it's worth, I don't think the poster thought much about who she was referring to. We had a discussion over many posts and I think she just threw out the Third Way candidates comment as defense mechanism, insult, because she was down in an argument: "Your third way candidates can't get elected." Well, they aren't Third Way and they have been elected.

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Third Way [View all] BainsBane May 2015 OP

Third Wayer and DLCer are just general insults that MineralMan May 2015 #1

Yes, it was the down in the argument reflex BainsBane May 2015 #2

A lot of discussions aren't really discussions. MineralMan May 2015 #4

Still quite don't understand that term Iliyah May 2015 #42

http://thirdway.org/ SMC22307 May 2015 #144

Yes, you mean that big corporations are our lords that take priority over everyone else AZ Progressive May 2015 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author AZ Progressive May 2015 #84

Real Dems? HaHaa. Dems are a big group of anyone but Repubs misterhighwasted May 2015 #97

Democrats that don't ascribe to Republican economic policies AgingAmerican May 2015 #130

Who are and not real dems? hrmjustin May 2015 #102

I got called a third way dem the other day... Agschmid May 2015 #195

Maybe I ought to drink more in order to buy that argument. I could stop but. Katashi_itto May 2015 #146

the problem is DonCoquixote May 2015 #178

I don't think they reject those principles treestar May 2015 #180

this is a fun thread hfojvt May 2015 #192

Yup. Agschmid May 2015 #193

Yeah, sure. 99Forever May 2015 #3

Who are you representatives? BainsBane May 2015 #6

A very excellent question to ask. MineralMan May 2015 #64

Yep, Betty is a good one BainsBane May 2015 #74

We have Betty, Keith and Al because we worked to elect them. MineralMan May 2015 #92

We absolutely work for it BainsBane May 2015 #111

Don't strain yourself patting yourself on the back. bvar22 May 2015 #170

Actually, I live in only one of those cities. MineralMan May 2015 #172

I live in only one of those cities bvar22 May 2015 #203

I didn't. MineralMan May 2015 #207

Mineral Man, Post #92 this thread bvar22 May 2015 #225

We, because BainsBane lives in Ellison's district. MineralMan May 2015 #236

the point was being in Birmingham would be so frustrating treestar May 2015 #183

Do you live in Birmingham? bvar22 May 2015 #204

If so, it's odd you have so little understanding treestar May 2015 #221

It is not odd at all that you have so little understanding of National Politics, Party Politics, bvar22 May 2015 #226

It is a ridiculous question because it neither validates nor invalidates the individuals perspective TheKentuckian May 2015 #119

:-))__%% kentuck May 2015 #148

He tells them to get off his lawn. 99Forever May 2015 #218

I'm not sure why you think that's so important cali May 2015 #113

Yep, you have declared that before BainsBane May 2015 #118

No. I don't go around flinging that label. cali May 2015 #206

I LIKE SANDERS! kentuck May 2015 #151

Asinine "point" your geography is not transferable to your personal liberal "cred" TheKentuckian May 2015 #117

Well said. kentuck May 2015 #152

My House rep is Lois Capps (D), gods bless her. She is a quiet, absolutely solid Dem... Hekate May 2015 #209

Yep LittleBlue May 2015 #121

The other point is that the average person who yell's "Third Way" has no idea what they stand for brooklynite May 2015 #5

I have received pm's from friends here stating they could no longer be DU friends with me, misterhighwasted May 2015 #8

Clearly they weren't friends in the first place BainsBane May 2015 #11

Truth. misterhighwasted May 2015 #15

Well said Iliyah May 2015 #46

This. Agschmid May 2015 #246

HRC - Is In Fact - A DLC Third Waver - She Represents Wall Street And The 1% As Well cantbeserious May 2015 #202

Gd fkng gd. Re-read the Op. You are the epitome of it's point. misterhighwasted May 2015 #213

Hmmm - Can't Challenge The Facts - So Attack The Poster cantbeserious May 2015 #214

What facts? Re-read the OP. Your post is the point of the OP misterhighwasted May 2015 #216

The OP has no logical point. If someone from their district disagrees with them then what? TheKentuckian May 2015 #239

It's neat how you read the plebes' minds so easily. /nt Marr May 2015 #48

Feel free to prove me wrong... brooklynite May 2015 #50

Shall I show you the sky is blue, too? Marr May 2015 #53

Perhaps you didn't read the OP... brooklynite May 2015 #79

Really...? How about the TPA, TPP... Marr May 2015 #100

It's never that specific treestar May 2015 #184

Really. Marr May 2015 #187

Entitlement reform. They to want to privatize SS. Lower taxes on Corporations octoberlib May 2015 #149

I don't see that on that site treestar May 2015 #185

It's there. octoberlib May 2015 #194

Sure, cuz you say so AgingAmerican May 2015 #96

Someone called Al Franken and Keith Ellison Third Wayers? mcar May 2015 #7

That's exactly what I was thinking marym625 May 2015 #220

I doubt if that happened MannyGoldstein May 2015 #227

It's a pretty common internet trope. It comes from people frustrated sufrommich May 2015 #9

The majority of the country is not moderate. Exilednight May 2015 #78

Most of your points are basic democratic platform stuff,right? sufrommich May 2015 #81

If they are basic, why so many Democrats try Exilednight May 2015 #88

Moderates do not support gay rights in any way, shape, or form. Jamastiene May 2015 #177

All of that is moderate treestar May 2015 #196

I'm not here to debate semantics. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #200

+1 treestar May 2015 #188

Putting corporate profits before people is what people associate with the Third Way. Maedhros May 2015 #231

If you're not trying to cut Social Security, privatize education or promote TPP, stop worrying. Orsino May 2015 #10

I'm not worried BainsBane May 2015 #13

The Third Way boogeyman is out there and he turns pure progressive souls into hrmjustin May 2015 #12

Its like an old SyFi movie I watched. Alien blobs attached themselves misterhighwasted May 2015 #18

. hrmjustin May 2015 #75

Hahaa. omg "B E L I E V E" !! misterhighwasted May 2015 #91

DU's high priests of liberalism will not appreciate your candor. JoePhilly May 2015 #14

They never do BainsBane May 2015 #36

One of those high priests is on the thread LordGlenconner May 2015 #40

How does statements like this help debate? Exilednight May 2015 #201

What debate? LordGlenconner May 2015 #247

I've never used it as an insult against a DU member, or against a politician. But there is history. NYC_SKP May 2015 #16

Oh, this talking point again: "YOU CALLED ME A DOG!!!!111!11!" woo me with science May 2015 #17

Yup. 99Forever May 2015 #20

Excellent post you just made. Just look at all those attempts at rebranding. woo me with science May 2015 #24

What does that have to do with insulting ordinary voters? BainsBane May 2015 #29

The rooster crowed and the sun came up. kentuck May 2015 #35

Also worth noting is... 99Forever May 2015 #43

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast May 2015 #103

How is it the truth? BainsBane May 2015 #26

Where is the popcorn, wanna hear the answer to your question. randys1 May 2015 #28

What do you wanna bet BainsBane May 2015 #31

This never occurred to me, I do know we have a lot of loud mouths who do little else randys1 May 2015 #37

A lot of them are from red states BainsBane May 2015 #38

You're telling each other comforting bullshit. Marr May 2015 #61

Some of us are leftists BainsBane May 2015 #77

God, what a load of bullshit. Marr May 2015 #106

I don't always mention when i volunteer for my local candidates but I do. hrmjustin May 2015 #134

Really? Do you think it's over the top when the other person constantly suggests Marr May 2015 #140

I don't think the op is suggesting the left doesn't help. hrmjustin May 2015 #141

I canvass every election BainsBane May 2015 #136

Uh-huh. Marr May 2015 #142

It's amazing how you imagine you know more about me and others here BainsBane May 2015 #208

Liberalism is the mildest form of leftism AgingAmerican May 2015 #126

Midlest form of leftism BainsBane May 2015 #137

We live in the US AgingAmerican May 2015 #138

please read my edits BainsBane May 2015 #139

What I know about your life? AgingAmerican May 2015 #155

Maybe you should actually read the post you call nonsense BainsBane May 2015 #156

That's the "burn it down" crew. People who naively believe that sufrommich May 2015 #52

Oh yes. zappaman May 2015 #120

Who are your representatives? BainsBane May 2015 #22

Ellison would still represent your district if you had never been born so how do you get to lord TheKentuckian May 2015 #127

"Who are your representatives" AgingAmerican May 2015 #132

...from someone who moved to Minneapolis in 2000. bvar22 May 2015 #244

+1, yep-- next they'll try to say 'neoliberal' is just a slur. Marr May 2015 #51

As Orwell understood, controlling language is controlling thought. zeemike May 2015 #98

You describe the OP and it's protagonists perfectly AgingAmerican May 2015 #108

Got to hand it to you, Woo. Maedhros May 2015 #232

+6.02e23 nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #243

The same ones have a problem with money to. stonecutter357 May 2015 #19

Here's the irony BainsBane May 2015 #25

It doesn't matter if it is Al Franken or Al Capone... kentuck May 2015 #21

-1 Buzz Clik May 2015 #39

Whenever I see someone Bobbie Jo May 2015 #23

Exactly! Same with the word 'oligarchy' which has been so overused R B Garr May 2015 #57

Oligarchy is a form of power structure in which power is effectively controlled by the weathy AgingAmerican May 2015 #158

A dramatic oversimplification. Being photographed with wealthy people R B Garr May 2015 #168

Taking money from them AgingAmerican May 2015 #175

Yup ismnotwasm May 2015 #66

Many people use the term incorrectly, I prefer to use it the way the self described Third Way Dragonfli May 2015 #27

New Democrat movement? Hmm, I would say New Democratic Movement. randys1 May 2015 #30

They call themselves that , not me. "New Democrat Coalition" for instance Dragonfli May 2015 #33

I still haven't gotten a response from you BainsBane May 2015 #34

I haven't gotten to reading it yet, if I missed something you wrote, I apoligize Dragonfli May 2015 #41

Great. Thanks. nt BainsBane May 2015 #71

Yet another tactic of Gang Hysterical. Buzz Clik May 2015 #47

"I�m a DLC Democrat." DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #49

I stand corrected, thank you /nt Dragonfli May 2015 #56

In his defense it's just a label and that quote was from a long time ago... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #58

His actions have never screamed, "DLC' to me, so I was surprised to hear it Dragonfli May 2015 #63

The DLC disbanded anyway./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #65

Yes in 2011 after the Koch money scandal became too difficult to manage I can't say I blame them. nt Dragonfli May 2015 #70

Looks like you hit a nerve here my friend! hrmjustin May 2015 #32

Respectfully... Why can't we demand both social AND economic justice. NYC_SKP May 2015 #54

You can and you are. hrmjustin May 2015 #60

Great post. Fanstastic. Sweet as honey. You know how I can tell? Buzz Clik May 2015 #44

Third Wayer generally refers to one who promotes neoliberal economic policy. It has a definition. Marr May 2015 #45

Sadly, the way it gets slung around DU, it has lost all meaning beyond Nya nya nya.... Hekate May 2015 #211

Wow! You just called most DUers, other than yourself, as living in an imaginary world. Cleita May 2015 #55

I see it used in times when the argument is not in favor of the accusing poster. Thinkingabout May 2015 #59

What some folks fail to realize is that Democrats are made up of a diverse group. Are blue dogs still_one May 2015 #62

Important: Your post misses the point, which is CORRUPTION of democracy. woo me with science May 2015 #68

None are so blind... kentuck May 2015 #73

What they stand for is the crux of why we decide to support them or not, or should be Dragonfli May 2015 #85

Me too, Dragonfli. Enthusiast May 2015 #105

I think a lot of it might be "generational"... kentuck May 2015 #179

Unfortunately I have to agree, the younger generation, at least some of them, Dragonfli May 2015 #198

+100,000,000!!!!!!!! nt 99th_Monkey May 2015 #112

Yep. nt sufrommich May 2015 #69

The Democratic Party is a "diverse" political party Iliyah May 2015 #87

and within the same party, there is always an open communication link to persuade someone to your still_one May 2015 #107

Third-Wayism is an awful thing MannyGoldstein May 2015 #67

It was a literary device, an illustration of absurdity BainsBane May 2015 #72

When I parrot Third-Way talking points, I do MannyGoldstein May 2015 #80

I guess you don't. nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #205

Third Way = Corporatist Democrat, which accepts big corporations as the masters of society AZ Progressive May 2015 #76

Is that a common argument on DU? BainsBane May 2015 #86

The only people I've heard throw the term "pure" around LWolf May 2015 #83

You're free to make your own OP about your distaste for the word pure BainsBane May 2015 #90

Points: LWolf May 2015 #101

you don't own the messaging here. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #210

BB posted the OP, and is as entitled to keep posing questions as anyone else. Meanwhile... Hekate May 2015 #212

Third Way = Believes that big corporations are our Lords and see capitalism as our religion AZ Progressive May 2015 #89

FDR was capitalism's greatest savior BainsBane May 2015 #109

God I love this post ismnotwasm May 2015 #143

It's stuff like that BainsBane May 2015 #145

You are on a roll. Carry on! Hekate May 2015 #215

You already know what it means AgingAmerican May 2015 #93

No, most is in response to specific conversations BainsBane May 2015 #115

Welcome to the internet AgingAmerican May 2015 #123

Third Way = corporatists/economic royalists hifiguy May 2015 #94

Based on Taibbi my reading of "third way" is that it's bat signal for crypto-libertarian ucrdem May 2015 #95

LOL Iliyah May 2015 #110

That's from the Statue of Libertarian ucrdem May 2015 #189

Completely unrecommended. Enthusiast May 2015 #99

I am in Oregon's 5th Congressional District JEB May 2015 #104

Here's pretty much what I'm referring to when I use the term: Jackpine Radical May 2015 #114

odd, I see nothing but the hollow declaration stupidicus May 2015 #116

I have no problem with its proper use BainsBane May 2015 #125

It is *you* who will not demonstrate where MannyGoldstein May 2015 #128

Fascism is a very ugly ideology YoungDemCA May 2015 #129

Is there an organization that named itself The Third Way? nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #131

There is. YoungDemCA May 2015 #133

Is there also a political philosophy commonly known MannyGoldstein May 2015 #135

of course you do stupidicus May 2015 #237

How interesting you think a capitalist state isn't bad enough BainsBane May 2015 #238

good grief stupidicus May 2015 #248

OMG. Phlem May 2015 #122

It's a generic slur, used by those who think the Democratic Party has been "taken over" YoungDemCA May 2015 #124

The myth of inclusivity kentuck May 2015 #154

Thanks for that BainsBane May 2015 #157

It's general shorthand for "corporatist Democrat" and is all too appropriately used. nt Romulox May 2015 #147

Yup, this is following the same script nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #150

I use it to describe.. mvd May 2015 #153

Alert? Ignore? BainsBane May 2015 #160

They are just tools you can use mvd May 2015 #162

Well, I can tell they aren't interested in building it here BainsBane May 2015 #174

Well they do talk about why they support what they do mvd May 2015 #176

What's really depressing is that the corporate-crats have gotten nearly everything they've asked for Romulox May 2015 #159

I don't know who called Franken and Ellison third way but octoberlib May 2015 #161

I realize that it's hard BainsBane May 2015 #163

I see where you're coming from. octoberlib May 2015 #169

Franken has emerged as an ardent defender of NSA spying. I don't get it either. nt Romulox May 2015 #164

Interesting, what does he support exactly? mvd May 2015 #165

Use google. I don't have the details at hand. nt Romulox May 2015 #166

I see - in 2013 he definitely defended NSA mvd May 2015 #171

Looks like elected progressives who support Hillary will get grief for it by some. hrmjustin May 2015 #167

I don't think "Hillary progressives" will get grief... kentuck May 2015 #181

Questions are good but grief is what some get. hrmjustin May 2015 #182

Of course, some will consider it grief. kentuck May 2015 #190

It depends on the poster I guess. hrmjustin May 2015 #191

I would expect criticism... kentuck May 2015 #197

Criticism that is fair should be taken well. hrmjustin May 2015 #199

My gratitude, BB. It's gotten to the point that I disregard anything a person says after "Third Way" Hekate May 2015 #173

I agree. I just assume third way threads are there to bash Hillary and her supporters. hrmjustin May 2015 #186

Thank you -- this thread has cleared things up about Third Way betsuni May 2015 #217

The problem with the "incremental change to pass more progressive laws" theory is Maedhros May 2015 #233

The dinos invented that term themselves to explain calling themselves democrats while Doctor_J May 2015 #219

3rdWay is To D as TeaParty is to R Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #222

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #223

LOL.. Senator Al Franken and Rep Keith Ellison were called the "Third Way"? No, not even surprised Cha May 2015 #224

I doubt that really happened MannyGoldstein May 2015 #228

I miss the unrec button. Scuba May 2015 #229

I just did a search, and can find no evidence MannyGoldstein May 2015 #230

I describe the exchange in another post in this thread BainsBane May 2015 #241

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" MannyGoldstein May 2015 #242

out of touch, internet warriors, not much else JI7 May 2015 #234

The first time I came across the term "Third Way" was in a bio of Bill Clinton Samantha May 2015 #235

The country has since moved left BainsBane May 2015 #240

This board does not do context, sadly. Hekate May 2015 #245

Both Franken and Ellison are about as far from being Third Wayers KamaAina May 2015 #249