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chknltl

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16. I am not one of America's best, just an American. I was against the war.

Sat May 16, 2015, 04:58 PM

May 2015

I knew Saddam was no martyr also. What's that you say? Try out this thought experiment: Give Saddam a nuke affixed to a missile that could strike anywhere on the planet. Exactly where could he fire it at without becoming obliterated in less than 24 hours himself? Before you even think to say that he could have rallied allies out of his neighbors by firing it at Israel, look a few short years earlier who was among the coalition against Saddam even while he was firing off 'scud's' at Israel. He knew the consequences, he knew he would gain no allies that way and history provided us all the proof we needed that the man was no martyr when we found him cowering in a hidey-hole.

That second Iraqi war was never about stopping Saddam from using WMD. We knew it then and history has proven us right.

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K&R! marym625 May 2015 #1

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Ya know, I may have been at that one too.... Cal Carpenter May 2015 #18

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Me Too... When You Are In That Large Of A Crowd, Of People Who Care... It's Magical... WillyT May 2015 #38

I AM TOO!!! brett_jv May 2015 #82

I've marched with Cal Carpenter May 2015 #45

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Damn right it counts!! arcane1 May 2015 #52

I Thought So Too... WillyT May 2015 #60

Heavens! I miss the Bay Area! NOLALady May 2015 #105

I remember seeing pics from all the rallies... awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #119

I marched in Los Angeles a few times. Met Martin Sheen at one of them. cui bono May 2015 #63

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Welcome to DU, DbD! Cal Carpenter May 2015 #93

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I was there - present and accounted for swilton May 2015 #124

I don't care for 'the best Americans' framing either, WorseBeforeBetter May 2015 #130

I resemble that remark. Wilms May 2015 #7

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Nah. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #21

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The possibility of learning can never be conflated with actually learning TheKentuckian May 2015 #76

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Dude I don't see any inside info, just second hand infomation from your spouse with no proof Autumn May 2015 #108

It was a very good source MaggieD May 2015 #109

So your wife got this from Alans wife is what I understand ? Autumn May 2015 #120

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Could have been? MaggieD May 2015 #99

Yes, could have been, but weren't. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #100

Revisionist history on your part MaggieD May 2015 #101

No. Actually, I was here and posting in 2001. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #103

I'm not confused AT ALL MaggieD May 2015 #107

Thank you. I think I am too. bigwillq May 2015 #12

LOL !!! - This Brings Back A Memory... In Jr. College I Had A Soc/Psych Teacher Who Asked... WillyT May 2015 #43

Thank you! Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #15

I am not one of America's best, just an American. I was against the war. chknltl May 2015 #16

Now that you mention it kick. Octafish May 2015 #17

Thanks fish... WillyT May 2015 #39

When not just France and Germany but Canada and Mexico tell you it's a huge mistake... carolinayellowdog May 2015 #19

That reminds me Sobax May 2015 #69

You can haz the cheese but only Freedom Fries are allowed. Hoppy May 2015 #89

PROUD to say I was one of those tavernier May 2015 #22

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Well, we certainly have the best bullshit detectors. navarth May 2015 #26

Condi and her mushroom cloud did it for me. WorseBeforeBetter May 2015 #127

I think we always knew that. sabrina 1 May 2015 #27

That's kind of simplistic, IMO MaggieD May 2015 #31

Why then should we elect one of those TM99 May 2015 #35

Because she can beat the republican candidate MaggieD May 2015 #106

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No it is not that simple. TM99 May 2015 #135

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+1,000 malaise May 2015 #29

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That group would include me. n/t ColesCountyDem May 2015 #34

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K&R CharlotteVale May 2015 #49

Obviously. senseandsensibility May 2015 #50

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While I take a measure of pride in having started protesting against KingCharlemagne May 2015 #58

Great Point... And As Jason States... WillyT May 2015 #62

A friend of mine is hooked on CNN as their main source of news... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #65

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Kick !!! WillyT May 2015 #73

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crawford tx "ditch dweller"... BlueCollar May 2015 #80

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Mr. Marr . . FairWinds May 2015 #87

++++++++++ swilton May 2015 #129

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I was there deutsey May 2015 #139

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