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ProSense

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Thu May 10, 2012, 01:05 AM May 2012

Message to fans of Ron Paul, Gary Johnson and other Libertarians [View all]

President Obama took the civil rights to a level you were never serious about taking it to. Your attempt to demagogue the issue no longer works. Your attempt to have it both ways has been exposed: free from Federal Government interference, but free to discriminate.

The President's statement eclipsed that ambiguity with a clear statement on mariage equality.

It's a bizarre thing to watch the few who are twisting in the wind to change the historic fact that for the first time ever, a sitting U.S. President (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002666708) stated his support for marriage equality.

Who is leading on this issue among the candidates: Ron Paul? Gary Johnson? Both support states rights and the right of religious instituions to discriminate.

Ron Paul Condemns Obama's Decision to Abandon DOMA

Congressman Ron Paul issued the following statement in response to Attorney General Eric Holder’s announcement that the Obama Administration will cease to defend the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) against legal challenges.

“The Defense of Marriage Act was enacted in 1996 to stop Big Government in Washington from re-defining marriage and forcing its definition on the States. Like the majority of Iowans, I believe that marriage is between one man and one woman and must be protected.

“I supported the Defense of Marriage Act, which used Congress’ constitutional authority to define what other states have to recognize under the Full Faith and Credit Clause, to ensure that no state would be forced to recognize a same sex marriage license issued in another state. I have also cosponsored the Marriage Protection Act, which would remove challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act from the jurisdiction of the federal courts.

http://theiowarepublican.com/2011/ron-paul-condemns-obama%E2%80%99s-decision-to-abandon-doma/


The notable exception was Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who said he would leave the definition of marriage to the states in accordance with the Constitution. He went one step further, though, suggesting the entire institution would be best left to the church.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57328247-503544/gop-debate-in-iowa-gets-weepy


Government should not impose its values upon marriage. It should allow marriage equality, including gay marriage. It should also protect the rights of religious organizations to follow their beliefs.

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues/civil-liberties


AFER’s Ted Olson Supports Obama’s Same-Sex Marriage Endorsement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002665147

"Obama's legal, policy & personal views are not in any way contradictory and present a clear path
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=667131

President Obama did the right thing that so many challenged him to do, claimed he was too coward to do or insisted he was too politically opportunistic to do. He did it. Challenge met. Cowardly claims dashed. Opportunistic meme unraveled.

Among the candidates, President Obama owns this issue, matching his personal evolution with comprehensive and consistent actions.

President Obama Endorses Freedom To Marry

WASHINGTON – President Obama said this afternoon in an interview with ABC News that he believes that the freedom to marry should be extended to same sex couples.

Until now, the president has only favored civil unions, although he had said his views on same-sex marriage were “constantly evolving.” While in office, President Obama and his administration have taken critical strides toward LGBT equality by refusing to defend the discriminatory and unconstitutional Defense of Marriage Act in court and pushing Congress to repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” and reaffirming support for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act.

“President Obama is doing the right thing and showing leadership by recognizing that lesbians and gays should be treated as equal citizens,” said Anthony D. Romero, ACLU Executive Director. “The freedom to marry whomever we love and want to share our life with is fundamental to who we are and what we stand for as a country. The fight for fairness and equal treatment under the law for all Americans took a critical step forward today.”

http://www.aclu.org/lgbt-rights/president-obama-endorses-freedom-marry

Transformational
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002666422

This is a moment for celebration, not animosity.
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Any sincere historians will remark about the dimensionality of his chess game. NYC_SKP May 2012 #1
I don't think Obama is suggesting that Churches should be required to perform same-sex marriages. pnwmom May 2012 #2
Um, if you wish to address fans of Ron Paul, Gary Johnson and other Libertarians you should try Dragonfli May 2012 #3
I'm afraid I've seen a few here from time to time LeftishBrit May 2012 #7
Sheeeeeit, this place is crawling with PaulBots, as well as zotted Freepers. They may not post, but Erose999 May 2012 #41
They're everywhere! Better check under the bed (they are like .001 percent of the population) Dragonfli May 2012 #44
obsessed with mineral man much? dionysus May 2012 #45
Who? Dragonfli May 2012 #46
uh huh dionysus May 2012 #56
I have a shorter message for them Prophet 451 May 2012 #4
+1000 LeftishBrit May 2012 #6
Highbrow, eh? BCanuck May 2012 #19
Fuck Gary Johnson and any Libertarian douchebags who like him. Ikonoklast May 2012 #22
+1000 maddezmom May 2012 #36
And you're not here anymore to complain. DevonRex May 2012 #30
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #5
Do you actually agree with fans of Ron Paul and Gary Johnson? LeftishBrit May 2012 #8
I think I see what is happening. You repeat the title of the thread whenever you post. LeftishBrit May 2012 #9
It left the building. n/t ProSense May 2012 #11
"suggesting the entire institution would be best left to the church" Prometheus Bound May 2012 #10
Of course the dirty secret no one points out about Paul Blue_Tires May 2012 #12
I mean, how ProSense May 2012 #13
Ron Paul's select groups BCanuck May 2012 #18
seriously? Blue_Tires May 2012 #35
Are you advocating that churches should be forced to perform gay marriages? ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #14
States and the Feds BCanuck May 2012 #23
Yes they should. It is unconstitutional to deny rights to people Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #25
Oh, you poor dead thing! DevonRex May 2012 #29
Funny you mention that Blue_Tires May 2012 #37
If the federal government recognizes a gay couple as married on their tax return..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #38
Yah, but weed!!...nt SidDithers May 2012 #15
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #16
lol...start a Ron Paul thread and without fail at least one person Blue_Tires May 2012 #17
yup, it's like flypaper maddezmom May 2012 #58
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #20
Who are you supporting for pres at this time? uppityperson May 2012 #21
Fuck Gary Johnson and any Libertarian douchebags who like him. Ikonoklast May 2012 #24
He's gone. FGJ and FRP. uppityperson May 2012 #27
Fuck Ron Paul. Ikonoklast May 2012 #28
Well after covering the Ron Paul Rally nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #26
Paul had the media eating out of his hands in '08 and did nothing with it Blue_Tires May 2012 #33
Are we talking of 2008 when it comes to Paul? nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #39
I get your point Blue_Tires May 2012 #42
Point by point nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #48
What did you ask him in the interview?? Blue_Tires May 2012 #50
Who Hughes? nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #51
he gets the coverage he deserves, he is in it for himself not to win it maddezmom May 2012 #43
No, he is a trouble maker nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #47
you can cover anyone you want but the MSM isn't going to cover him, not because he's a maddezmom May 2012 #49
It is, he's 76 nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #52
it's not playing favorites it's coming to the reality that Paul isn't worth covering maddezmom May 2012 #53
Alas that is not my decision to make nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #54
"And we will continue to cover people you object. That is what RESPONSIBLE media does." zappaman May 2012 #55
and fuck his fans, too maddezmom May 2012 #61
I chuckle at your use of RESPONSIBLE media maddezmom May 2012 #57
You can chuckle all you want nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #59
I'm not asking for censorship maddezmom May 2012 #60
Don't read them nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #62
I said they weren't covering him because he no longer is news maddezmom May 2012 #63
Sorry, but a Presidential candidate nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #64
Nadin, I know you are not a Ron Paul fan. zappaman May 2012 #65
Like I've said over and over maddezmom May 2012 #66
"don't like it, put me on ignore." zappaman May 2012 #67
Feel free to put me on ignore nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #69
looks like we're at an impasse here because I have no intention of putting you on ignore maddezmom May 2012 #70
Foget about missing dogs zappaman May 2012 #71
thanks for the link maddezmom May 2012 #75
You wish I put you there nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #72
no, I suggested you put me there if you didn't want to read my posts maddezmom May 2012 #74
Wow zappaman May 2012 #73
Serious.... maddezmom May 2012 #34
See post 39 nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #40
ProSense, you are the best! It's like flypaper. You trapped quite a few. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #31
That is the best word to describe it -- BIZARRE Number23 May 2012 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo May 2012 #68
K & R Scurrilous May 2012 #76
Obama is just oozing with love for GBTBLMNOP banana convention. May 2012 #77
It's not ProSense May 2012 #78
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